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What you said is not quite correct.

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It is THOUGHT that this bacteria arrived on our planet from a pre-prehistoric metoer strike. It is THOUGHT that this bacteria evolved to match the different and changing atmospheres of Earth... eventually thriving and leading to the lifeforms we have today....

Really? No one I know thinks that. At least they don't walk around talking about it. Why is that "thought". It is also "thought" by some persons that there are evil alien lizards running our government. (If you are a democrat, that might seem more likely). It is "thought" by others that the earth is flat. It is thought by some that all kind of crazy wacko theories are true. So the fact that it is "thought" merely means there is some kook out there who is creative or illogical enough to come up with it....

I guess I'm still not convinced.
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I.e., that there are benevolent mutations, but only benevolent mutations that result in a fully completed set of functional arms growing from a fish for instance? Can you explain how that works? I thought the whole idea is that a lot of these little mutations favored the animals and over millions of years, natural selection emphasized those traits...
Because there has NEVER been an instance( to my knowledge ) of a fish being born with a full set of arms.

However, to answer what you were really asking... How seaborne creatures became land animals.... All I can do is float my idea as to how that happened.....

First, FISH didn't become land animals. Amphibians did. Currently there are several different types of animals that can survive in both land and water environments.... Fish are fish and amphibians are amphibians.... Fish are, by nature, aquatic animals and are therefore more apt to be able to thrive underwater than amphibians... In a generation, amphibians that could NOT compete underwater realised that they could eat their fill ABOVE water.... Within that generation SOME amphibians became land creatures... others went back under the waves and some tried to play the middle..... The ones who went back to the sea were(for the most part) unable to compete with fish... the ones who stayed above water thrived... The ones in the middle.. well, they did pretty ok but for the most part didn't evolve.... they were reaping the benefits of both worlds...

Now remember this is ONE generation....

The benevolent mutation here was behavioral... the amphibians behavor determined whether they, as a single generation, stayed in the sea(almost extinct).... Stayed above ground(dinosaurs)... or played the middle(modern day amphibians)


Of the three groups... there are FEW ocean amphibians... there are FEW dinosaurs.... there are tons of amphibians... the amphibians who decided to remain amphibians are the ones who thrived... they never gave up their abilities to specialize.... Essentially a behavior mutation....
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I.e., that there are benevolent mutations, but only benevolent mutations that result in a fully completed set of functional arms growing from a fish for instance? Can you explain how that works? I thought the whole idea is that a lot of these little mutations favored the animals and over millions of years, natural selection emphasized those traits...
Because there has NEVER been an instance( to my knowledge ) of a fish being born with a full set of arms.

However, to answer what you were really asking... How seaborne creatures became land animals.... All I can do is float my idea as to how that happened.....

First, FISH didn't become land animals. Amphibians did. Currently there are several different types of animals that can survive in both land and water environments.... Fish are fish and amphibians are amphibians.... Fish are, by nature, aquatic animals and are therefore more apt to be able to thrive underwater than amphibians... In a generation, amphibians that could NOT compete underwater realised that they could eat their fill ABOVE water.... Within that generation SOME amphibians became land creatures... others went back under the waves and some tried to play the middle..... The ones who went back to the sea were(for the most part) unable to compete with fish... the ones who stayed above water thrived... The ones in the middle.. well, they did pretty ok but for the most part didn't evolve.... they were reaping the benefits of both worlds...

Now remember this is ONE generation....

The benevolent mutation here was behavioral... the amphibians behavor determined whether they, as a single generation, stayed in the sea(almost extinct).... Stayed above ground(dinosaurs)... or played the middle(modern day amphibians)


Of the three groups... there are FEW ocean amphibians... there are FEW dinosaurs.... there are tons of amphibians... the amphibians who decided to remain amphibians are the ones who thrived... they never gave up their abilities to specialize.... Essentially a behavior mutation....
That is even more farfetched. Behavioral? So if a whale beaches itself, in your world it doesn't die, but rather it creates a whole new species! I get it.
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"Actually there is nothing overwhleming about the archaeological evidence"

there is no evidence for creationism at all, in fact, there is more evidence that there is no God (childhood cancer for instance) if you're believing things based on how much evidence there is rather than faith.
This is essentially correct. However, I fail to see how childhood cancer disproves the existence of a creator.
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Indeed it does. What's your point?
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"Really? No one I know thinks that. At least they don't walk around talking about it. Why is that "thought". It is also "thought" by some persons that there are evil alien lizards running our government. (If you are a democrat, that might seem more likely). It is "thought" by others that the earth is flat. It is thought by some that all kind of crazy wacko theories are true. So the fact that it is "thought" merely means there is some kook out there who is creative or illogical enough to come up with it.... "

Ah! I love the smell of hypocrasy in the morning! In case you didn't notice... the people who THINK as they do about this strain of bacteria are scientists who refuse to believe something if they do not know it to be true...

You, on the other hand, are denigrating those people to defend a "crazy wacko" idea that some European looking diety created all of existance......
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"That is even more farfetched. Behavioral? So if a whale beaches itself, in your world it doesn't die, but rather it creates a whole new species! I get it."

Actually... in my world a whale is a mammal....
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Ah! I love the smell of hypocrasy in the morning! In case you didn't notice... the people who THINK as they do about this strain of bacteria are scientists who refuse to believe something if they do not know it to be true...

You, on the other hand, are denigrating those people to defend a "crazy wacko" idea that some European looking diety created all of existance......
I haven't stated where I stand on the issue of a creator. I haven't stated where I stand on the issue of whether creationism is the true reality. What I have done is poke holes in your theory.

These scientists who don't believe something until they have it proven to them, correct me if I'm wrong about one thing, they don't know and haven't had it proven to them that the bacteria on Earth came from a meteor have they? Didn't think so.
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