anyone interested in this topic- I hope you tuned in to "60 minutes", tonight (Sunday).

The former deputy mayor of Jerusalem agrees with Jellah- He states that the two state solution is no longer possible. He believes that the settlers have "won" and it is no longer possible to remove the hundreds of thousands of settlers who will refuse to be moved w/o pitched battle and the likelihood that the I.D.F. will disobey orders. How awful. WHAT IS to be done??

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Http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4752349.n

the settlers in their own words

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-Brownowski

Thanks for that video report, it covered all the key points and was able to show the facts on the ground as they are.

I dont think the Israeli govt is stupid by any means and they have allowed the settlers to do this PURPOSELY. You will notice they dont subject Israelis to checkpoints to make sure they dont go outside the Isreali areas and create settlements right? Why not have borders and make sure that Israelis DO NOT even enter into Palestinian areas to build these settlements.

Also lets remember that many of the illegal settlements the Israeli govt claims no responsiblity for ends up connected to the Israeli infrastructure (water and electricity).

This is an american style genocide....they are simply pushing Palestinians off the land just as the euro settlers did in the americas. They are creating infrastructure that is unwelcoming and even prohibited to the Palestinians (much as the euro settlers did regarding natives). You build a society and do not allow them to participate, to thrive, to grow...you make sure not to include them in any parts of society and you dont leave them any place for them to exist as their own society either.

All of this provokes the targets and you use the provocation to outright kill them off. You terrorize them and make life unbearable.

This is a blueprint for genocide and its become harder for Israel to hide this fact.

I also think the Palestinian tactic of having children and fighting this through an increased birth rate is calculated. They understand whats being done to them and what the Israeli goal is, and since they are no match in a militarized conflict...this is the only way to survive and resist. This brutality will not be supported by the world indefinitely...it wont even be supported by Israelis indefinitely.

This is why many Israelis who really do want to keep a Jewish state are alarmed and understand that Israels survival depends on a just solution for Palestinians. They realize that while they win the battles today...they will ultimately lose the war and end up with this one state solution and there is no way a minority can rule over the majority AND be a democratic society (and they do want a democratic society). It would be the end of the "jewish state".

So whats rather ironic here is that those who are staunch and even blind supporters of Israel are crafting their own demise and supporting measures that will end up destroying the jewish states existence.

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Tzipi Livni claims she will move settlers. I don't know how that can be accomplished w/o large financial incentives...and if Netanyahu is elected all bets are off.

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-Brownowski

The Hashemites already stole the Palestinian homeland of TransJordan - the booted out anyone who objected - hence the west bank. The Egyptians cut of the tail of Sinai - hence, gaza. Yet, somehow, it's all the fault of the Jews - greedy bastards. Cou - when you've finished taking your prejudices for an airing, try studying history. It may make you seem less of a fool.

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Cool - let's let those settlements be the first part of the one nation solution. If there is a single Jew alive in 6 months, assuming Israel takes no part in the battle, then we know exactly how well that one state solution will work.

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First of all its not "Jews", its Israel...and to try and hi-jack all Jews and make them responsible for what Israel does is not only ridiculous...its bigoted. Israel is a nation and is held accountable for their actions like any other nation in the world is.

Britain doesnt represent all whites nor all christians....so why should we assume the Israel represents all Jews?

Secondly, the people who are denying Palestinians their rights are the Israelis. It is the Israelis who continue to expand settlements, take their water, bulldoze their homes and any other infastructure they build up, who makes them go through check points that are designed to make their lives hell and unbearable, its Israel who raids them and occupies them, imprisons them and chokes their trade and their development, who cuts them off from their own farms, who confiscates more and more lands each and every month of each and every year.

BTW its rather ironic that you called Courtney a fool when Courtney was actually being sarcastic and I am sure agrees with you...that sort of makes YOU look like a fool. This was rather easy to know had you spent a few minutes actually reading the posts and exchange. You ask someone to study history while you didnt even bother to read the few posts that would have helped you comprehend the post you responded to!

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No, it's Jews -- the people you have targeted with your holocaust revisionism and relentless, hyperbolic vitriol.

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bring back blz

You should realize by now that the desperate attempts to avoid the actual facts in this issue is obvious

Still no comments about the ISSUES and merits of the issues...things like settlement expansion, water thefts, land confiscations, check points etc.

This is about ISRAEL and not about "Jews" but we both know you need to warp this into something else so you can avoid dealing with the crimes and genocide of Israel whom you blindly support.... even in their crimes and genocide. You really should be ashamed to support such a thing.

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can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage."
-- (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad)

the original zionists were secular, but realized that israel required an official religion so they settled on granpa's flavor of judiasm. unfortunately granpas flavor was ghetto judaism ~ i.e. the goy have nothing to offer. so what they ended up with was classical judiasm ~ see; http://www.wrmea.com/archives/october01/0110071.html
example; Military Rabbi Urged Troops to Show No Mercy in Gaza

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