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Old 01-29-2009, 04:39 PM
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A one state solution is not a viable option. The number of palestinians will outnumber jews, and the state will no longer be a Jewish state. I personally do not care about that, but I know most israelis won't accept that. Also, the populations now are relatively even, but the palestinian birth rate is far higher. In a few dozen years, the government would be arab and muslim dominated.
What the Israelis need and want is a place where Jews who are targeted world wide can be safe. They have accepted refugees from Africa, Asia, and arab countries, as well as europe. With worldwide anti-semitism growing - by that I speak of attacks against Jews, against synagogues, even against nursery schools - it's understandable.

60 years ago the Jews found out that the world would let them be killed - stand by and do nothing - not even the Pope objected. These are the survivors and their children. Can you really tell them it can't happen?

BTW - do you have strong feeling about Kashmir - which was stolen from the Muslims Pakistanis when Pakistan was split into another country and away from India? Because once we give Israel away, the bombs will be about Kashmir.
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But no, you reserve it from Israel only. But you have nothing against the Jews, as such.

She has pained a picture before of rich New York jews just up and stealing land from the poor, downtrodden Palestinians.

Yeah -- nothing against Jews at all.
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Solution for Israel Palestine...One or Two state solution?
I really have a solution for Israel and it's neighbors, but it will not be implemented because the solution is not in the interest of those who are armed to their teeth especialy with nuclear weapons, conflict/war is in their interest. THE SOLUTION is very simple, ban flags and languages other then the one voted most popular in the region and be done with it. it's really very simple. if i come to a foreign country i am expected to learn their ways not push my agenda. anyone who believes USA/Israel is really seeking some sort of a solution in the region is either very naive or an idiot, it's all about domination.
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Old 01-30-2009, 04:42 AM
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The irony is that Egypt is currently blockading Gaza with orders to shoot to kill palestinians who attempt to get into Egypt. Somehow that is not a problem?

No - accusations of anti-semitism is a response to the fact that somehow people still haven't realized that about 1/3 of the pre-Isreal Palestine population was JEWISH!!!!! Are these people also invaders? Are they evil because they want to help refugees?

Why are arabs who come from nearby countries not invaders - but Palestinian somehow, like Arafat? You are holding two completely different standards - for the exact same behavior.
No, your post is completely garbled. Egypt is not "blockading" anyone. They are protecting an established border and not as harshly as both Israel and the U.S. would like- so what are you talking about ??? Are you of the opinion that the U.S. is "blockading" Mexico??

I am still trying to figure out what Lackluster and i.B. seem to think is the solution for Palestinians. So far, I don't see any evidence that they have any thought on this matter- just defensive accusations of anti-semitism and rejection of any peaceful solution.
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She has pained a picture before of rich New York jews just up and stealing land from the poor, downtrodden Palestinians.

Yeah -- nothing against Jews at all.
Since, I know myself much better than you do, I can only say your relentless comments reflect some sort of paranoia. If I expended that much energy trying to identify sexism in my discussions with men, I would be unable to function.
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Israel receives by far the most U.S. foreign aid and if you consider the amount on a per capita basis, the amount is much, much higher.

Egypt has been cooperative with U.S. interests and receives aid on that basis. Egypt is considered central to M.E. peace. But we were discussing solutions for peace in Israel. Does Egypt have an internal territorial dispute that could lead to partition?? Please explain!

The accusations of anti-semitism are childish avoidance tactics.
Why, yes! I'm glad you asked. Gaza is former Egyptian territory which, I think, is entirely germaine to this discussion. N'est ce pas?
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Why, yes! I'm glad you asked. Gaza is former Egyptian territory which, I think, is entirely germaine to this discussion. N'est ce pas?
By all means elaborate...the thread is about solutions, one state or two or ?? Egypt came up in some convoluted attempt to show a parallel between Israel and Egypt. It really has nothing to do with the topic or the current situation that I can see but if you see a connection ,you go for it!!
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Since, I know myself much better than you do, I can only say your relentless comments reflect some sort of paranoia. If I expended that much energy trying to identify sexism in my discussions with men, I would be unable to function.
No Paranoia -- Just calling people on their b.s.
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By all means elaborate...the thread is about solutions, one state or two or ?? Egypt came up in some convoluted attempt to show a parallel between Israel and Egypt. It really has nothing to do with the topic or the current situation that I can see but if you see a connection ,you go for it!!
Well seeing that Egypt has no Jews I can see how you fail to make the connection.

Solution? Simple. Give the West Bank back to Jordan and give Gaza back to Egypt.

There are no such thing as 'Palestinians'
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I am still trying to figure out what Lackluster and i.B. seem to think is the solution for Palestinians. So far, I don't see any evidence that they have any thought on this matter- just defensive accusations of anti-semitism and rejection of any peaceful solution.
I favor either a three state solution, or working with Jordan and Egypt to take back some of the territory they lost after attacking Israel in 1967.
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