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JUDEA & SAMARIA are clear and unquestionably JEWISH!

How does a map prove anything? I can show you a map of the United States, yet that does not tell anything about our political system. If you are trying to make a statement, please go ahead. However, stop with the red herrings.

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- H L Mencken

One believes things because one has been conditioned to believe them... People believe in God because they've been conditioned to believe in God.
-Brave New World

Taking a break from Political Forum.

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JUDEA & SAMARIA are clear and unquestionably JEWISH!

Map of Mandated Territory
http://palestinefacts.org/images/map...e_overview.jpg

Map of the Mandate 1917-1922***
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...v_zeev/map.jpg

Map of the Mandate 1920
http://radicalacademy.com/map1920.gif

Map of the Mandate 1922
http://radicalacademy.com/map1922.gif

Now that I published "BASICS' go visit your local library and read about it.

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JUDEA & SAMARIA are clear and unquestionably JEWISH!

What exactly is this meant to prove?

Go look at a map of the US-Mexico Border and describe the immigration debate. If you want to provide proof, then do so.

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"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
- H L Mencken

One believes things because one has been conditioned to believe them... People believe in God because they've been conditioned to believe in God.
-Brave New World

Taking a break from Political Forum.

So you want to explain that the Israeli should not pay for the removal of their own citizen / residence , but that other country's in which these people are not citizens / residents of, should? It is funny how in this circumstances you explain them all as "Arabs" and ignore the obvious fact that they have separate national identity as well.

You point out that the US and the world give a pretty large aid to the Palestinian territory, but do you know who the largest receiver of US aid (military and up until very recently, financial as well) is? take a guess, it starts with a I, and it ends with rael .

Amoung today's 7 million population of Israeli citizens, close to 20% are muslim arab decedents. which means around 1.4 million. now, there are around 4 million arab muslims in the west bank and gaza stripe combined, so even if we exclude all the refugees outside of the area for a moment, if we really merge the area into one state and grant everyone citizenship, the muslim population would be around 5.5 million roughly the equivalent of the Jewish population with a demograph that's much more likely to grow in the future.

So basically, for the Israeli, their "one state solution" basically requires evicting all or at least most of the arabs in the areas. aka what the Russians did to the Jews in the early 20th century. except that the Jews are evicting a population roughly equal to their own, not just a small minority.

There is basically no way in hell a sane international community would go for something like this (unless your going to ironically quote the Nazi expansions during the mid 1930s), even if the Israelis want to foot to bill (which they won't) . at the same time, the Israelis and neo cons surely would not accept a Israel where half or more of the voters are muslim.

So there is no such thing as a one state solution, without a war and probably genocide anyway. There is only a two state solution.


Like I've pointed out. your either going to end up with both side pissed, or your going to end up with one side all dead. the US's reluctance to reel in Israel despite the fact that the country's founding and continued survival is almost entirely based on international support have been the key issue .

So you see why many people have accused or wondered if the US is indeed hijacked or manipulated by a Jewish underworld finance. since it remains strangely stubborn and goes out of it's way of it's international interest to protect Israel dispite playing against the rules of Real politik and isn't even morally defensable (since we're talking about a few thousand settler living in well off conditions vs a few millions living without running water). where they are protecting the interest of a relatively small group while ticking off a much larger group. the only logical explaination to this would be that whatever Jewish lobby and finanacial power hidden from view is significantly greater than the power of OPEC and the arab states in general.

Very beautifully stated thanks 'Rolling Wave'...
Now if we could ONLY consummate the deal and force Jordan to take its own citizenry back when they were beaten to the River Jordan in 1967 after attacking Israel...

Jordan ex Trans-Jordan conquered the so called West Bank in 1948 and ruled it for 19 Years... Their Jordanian subjects were left behind when they signed a Peace Agreement with Israel.

Now if these Jordanian Citizens were forced to move to their own country (since they are holders of Jordanian Passports and Jordanian I. D. cards) would be the cheapest way to deflate the sails of the so called Palestinians demands for a SECOND Palestinian State be erected by no other than Israel, (as one already exists with Jordan) is the most uncanny, ludicrous request by Arabs when the majority 79% of the population of Jordan is of the same stock.

The cheapest way is to 'TRANSFER' the Jordanian Citizens back to Jordan against the reluctance of King Abdullah's (Hashemite dynasty from the Hedjaz)
We would deflate and stop the constant demands by a minority left behind by their own King when Jordan ruled the so called West Bank/Judea and Samaria for 19 years.

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I haven't been active on this thread really since it was created but the (bold) question was asked that deserves a response whether others have responded to it or not yet.

From an American perspective I believe this is a very simple question to answer as we addressed it over 200 years ago.

http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html

The primary role of government is to protect the unalienable Rights of the People. It is the foundation for the government of the United States and only governments dedicated to this purpose should be supported by the United States. This argues against any government with it's foundation based upon religion and the United States should not be supporting or endorsing any government based upon religion. I don't care if it's the Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu or any other religion.

A government not founded upon the principle of protecting the unalienable Rights of the Individual is automatically oppressive to a greater or lesser degree and should not be supported or endourse by the United States.

Countries which would fall into this category would certainly be Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and yes, Israel. All of these countries place religion above the Rights of the individual which violates American political beliefs.

So could a single state solution exist in the lands which were formally Palestine? Absolutely so long as the government is mandated with the role and responsibility of protecting the unalienable Rights of ALL those who are subject to it's authority and jurisdiction. Christian, Jew, Muslim, Athiest, Men, Women, Gays, Straights, Black, White, and Purple would all be treated equally under the law.

Okay, I will admit that that isn't even true in the United States today where discrimination and oppression still exist but at least our ideals are true even as we fail to live up to them.

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I wish your ideology was workable, but it is not practical...

First and foremost (not practical) because these are two different peoples...
They have two different languages, they have two different Religions and they have two different aspirations besides the fact that Israel was reconstituted for the ingathering of Jewish exiles... a different body in its midst will anchor its elan = vigorous spirit and enthusiasm...

Second the Arabs are ONLY motivated by the words of their Qur'an which dictates every phase of their lives, tells them how to live, how to hate and suggests that Kafirun (non believers in Islam) should be done away with.
They call the Jews descendent of Apes and Pigs... The Qur'an suggests to its followers not to befriend Jews and Christians for they are friends of each others... etc., The Hadith says to hate the Jews to such an extend that if a Jew would hide behind a rock or a tree, the rock or the tree would shout O' Muslims there is a Jew hiding behind me come and kill him...

These two people cannot in all honesty live together but should be separated... They are too different to each other.

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