He wasnt responsible for creating the gr8st economic boom in history, Reagan bringing about the end of the Cold War was. Clinton is definitely responsible for it's run though. He kept out of its way, kept taxes low, and maintained fair justice and peace. The .com burst in 2000 halted the rise and it slowly fell. Thank christ we didnt stick our nose into Rwanda. What I didnt like about Clinton was the mission creep in Somalia, and we were lucky Kosovo didnt explode in our face. He signed a directive telling the CIA to kill Osama and the CIA found a way around it every time so you cant blame him for that. The neo-cons whine about Clinton down-sizing the military...ffs, the Cold War ended, and we'd still be fine if they hadnt pulled this needless bs in Iraq. The neo-cons produce a mess based on pretenses then blame the last president for not leaving them with enough troops to throw their weight around while ignoring Al Qaeda. Stop blaming the last administration. Youre in charge youre responsible. Fix your mistakes and get on the right track lest you be irresponsible then you'd eventually get kicked and someone that can make it work would get in.

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Don't waste your time, Lonerider.. It will Not happen. The Clintons are despised way too much..

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I thought he rocked on domestic issues, the 1990s were a time of great prosperity in the U.S.

But, I think we have to say, in all candor, that some of the problems that have occurred in the last 4 years (from an over-extended military to a menacing Iraq serving as a shelter for terrorists to a lack of arms and equipment for our military personnel) came about as a direct result of Clinton's foreign policy failures.

Catz

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rubbish. nothing was stoping bush waiting before attacking these countries. how is clinton going to for-see that bush was going to try to annax half of the middle east. how big an army does america need? it's not needed. British army = 100,000 fighting personel. the U.S marines alone outnumber the whole british frontline combat troops. and the fact that invasion of the middle east was the terrorists plan, so their grasp of bush's predictability of needing a war to restore american pride over 9/11 made america play right into the 9/11 terrorists hands by having US invade middle east.

the better prepared THEY would be, and the more risks our guys would face.

NOt to mention the issues they were already facing, all 150,000 of them, living in tents in the desert of Kuwait attempting to force Suddam to comply with inspections that he had no intention of honoring.

What Patton would have said in this situation:

"An imperfect plan executed today is better than a perfect plan executed at some indefinite point in the future."
- General George Patton Jr

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..and you do make some valid points on Bubba's Foreign policy. But in the case of the military..isn't this the same military that annexed Baghdad in less than 30 days? And the cuts in military equipment actually began when our present VP was Sec of Def. He was in favor of many of the cuts back then..which were probably neccessary because the COLD WAR was over and our greatest threat had been neutralized.

Yes..there were further cuts under Bubba but it was also at a time of prosperity..America had no real "state enemies" then (I don't mean terrorist groups) He should have done more on Terrorism..And I think he did what he could and if we are to believe that when leaving in 2000, his admin told the present admin that their biggest problem was going to be AQ and terrorism, at least they realized that this was a growing problem.

Clinton failed in Rwanda and Mogadishu..(cold feet) and he has admitted that so many times. Bosnia was a good achievement..especially since US troops finally pulled our before the end of 2004..(even though a certain individual on this board does not believe there was genocide in Bosnia), a conflict that did NOT have UN Approval but had NATO approval.

One can ceratinly see, in hindsight what the Clintons could have done with strenghtening the FBI, CIA and other intelligence agencies.

Here we are in 2005: When do we start holding Junior's feet to the fire?

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can during his tenure to address these issues.

Frankly, he has done better than I expected, but perhaps that's because I'm a longtime bureaucrat and I understand, perhaps better than the average taxpayer how difficult it can be to change an entrenched bureaucracy that is resisting change.

I think he could have done more to up-armor the vehicles, but I would suggest that his actions in Iraq were the correct ones for the most part, in spite of mistakes that have been made. It was a bold move that surprised our enemies and made them reconsider their previous assumptions about us.


No war is ever going to be conducted perfectly because wars are waged by imperfect human beings.

However, on the scale of the history of human conflict, this war has actually cost very little and gone very well.

Only in hindsight will we know for sure if it was the right way to go, but I think it was.

Catz

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"But, I think we have to say, in all candor, that some of the problems that have occurred in the last 4 years...." CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON
OBSESSION OBSESSION OBSESSION OBSESSION OBSESSION OBSESSION


We were so anti Russia that we created a far worse problem - one that is highly unpredictable and one that kills in the name of God (much like our own far right christian wackos mind you). Russia would have lost without our intervention...and Clinto was just a governor then...

I will always have a warm spot in my heart for Clinton. If he were not elected, the Republicans might not have taken the majority in Congress.

And, of course, my 8 year old needed to know all about oral sex. Thanks to Clinton, she found out plenty.

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