And you deserved it

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You are a real piece of work, I'll think about you every morning when I'm on the toilet, flushing with pleasure. I thought you were killed in Bolivia in 1969, too bad.

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Ahh yes.. the benefits of growing up in a freemarket economy in the western country with the highest standard of living has turn young g into a communist. Javisst?

The Irony!

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"When I'm in command, every mission is a suicide mission!" -Capt. Zapp Branigan
The United Church of the Latter Day Tangential Tarts

Iraq may be better compared to Afghanistan in 1979 and us being the Soviet Union.

We were lulled into Iraq I think just like The Soviets were into Afghanistan and Bin Laden is playing the role we played to topple the Soviet Union.

However Bushes actions does have a lot of similarites to Nixons actions in Vietnam, like having a big tax cut right before the war, having 2/3 the population support the war in the first year and then have the same number against it in the years to follow. Along with all the other obvious similarities, except for body count, and thats just because its a different type of war, but a war we are struggling to win none the less.

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You forgot Kennedy, who got us in the war and Johnson who escalated the war, Nixon who took us out of the war. Oh, by the way, I was there.

Kennedy got us in the war, but if he hadnt got assassinated he would have been the one to have gotten us out.

Im not blaming Nixon for Vietnam, thats more Johnsons fault, just that Bushes and Nixons actions are similar. Nixon being Bush seniors mentor and Bush senior being Bush Jrs mentor along with administarion officials that are on Bushes team that used to work with Nixon it seems to make sense.

And as far as Afghanistan goes I was there, with 1/1 as part of the first troops in, securing Camp Rhino and Kandahar.

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I think I would take Viet Nam any day over Afghanistan, or Iraq, at least we had a jungle to hide in, it seems you guys have it a lot rougher than we did. I actually flew a UH-1C helicopter gunship, we did fly at tree top level though, it sucks being shot at. We may find some political common ground yet JJ.

First of all, the Vietnam conflict did not start out with hundreds of soldiers dying every week so to use numbers comparisons is a not fair way to assess it, yet. Second, the prevailing opinion at the time which led to the escalation in Vietnam was a fear of the "domino theory". If we let Vietnam fall into the hands of the communists, then they would move on in the region and take each country, one by one.

Our fear of terrorism is similar to the fear we had of communism. The premise of the war in Iraq was to stop them before they had a chance to use WMD against us. Both wars were started not because of direct attacks against us (Iraq was not involved in 9-11) but because of our fears of what would happen if we did nothing.

We know what happened in Vietnam, but it's too soon to tell what's going to happen in the middle east especially if we fail and it turns into a larger, regional war. We don't know what events are going to take place in the next couple of years that might change the landscape.

It's good to draw the comparisons now so that we are guided by history in our future decisions. But to put them on equal terms right now is not an accurate assessment.

didnt Kissinger play a role in the 1968 election, there was nearly a deal on the table 'cept he wanted to further his own goals

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