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Old 01-20-2005, 04:21 PM
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Now for powergrid...What are you talking about? Al Qaeda is the only group that attacked us.
They attacked us in 2001. This does not mean they are the only terrorist group of consequence in the world. Ever heard of Hamas? They didn't attack us, but they attack our ally.
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Old 01-20-2005, 04:27 PM
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as a result of beating down Al Qaeda the rest of them will be terrified of the CIA like every country is of the U.S. Military. And you actually wanna stick our neck out for Israel? They can handle their own problems. Same with England and Russia.
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Old 01-21-2005, 08:31 AM
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The military cant be used against Al Qaeda. The only scenario where conventional military force was needed we failed to use it. That was in Torah Borah around Christmas 2001. What is your fetish with the UN? When theyre to our advantage use them, else wise tell them to shove it.
Translation: "Yes Sadistic-Savior, we should ignore the UN"

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gr8 is just a abbreviation used on the net.
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If I were writing a formal letter or a paper I'd write you and you're instead of u, ur, u r, and ya.
You only spell correctly in formal letters? Is that some kind of religious requirement?

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Now for powergrid...What are you talking about? Al Qaeda is the only group that attacked us. Not hamas, hezbollah, the IRA, cechyen rebels or anyone else.
We should only attack groups that have already attacked us first?

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You will get us in far over our heads and make many more enemies for us needlessly by trying to go after everyone that looks at us cross eyed.
You dont seem terribly concerned about making enemies...you just said you had no problem lying to the UN. You dont think that will make enemies?
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Old 01-21-2005, 09:22 AM
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I am a reagan conservative and we ought to conduct ourselves as we did in that time. Libya was legit because Kadafi directly funded an attack on soldiers in a West German night club. Grenada was legit because they were holding americans hostage. They played hard ball so did we in order to get the americans out. Panama was legit because Noriega was laundering drug money for the king pins pushing drugs in this country and we cant have that. I believe in "Walk softly, talk softly and carry a big stick." as TR put it. I see right through these neo-cons that see it fit for us to force our political, economic and social ideals on the world just because we can. Were on a fast track to becoming the Evil Empire which we faced down for 40 years. The neo-cons play on the emotions of the american ppl and even then the best they got was 70% for their war in Iraq. They decide on something and repeat it endlessly. They never adjust, they never admit mistakes. THEY do what THEY want regardless of need or reason. They are dyed in the wool and the only thing you can do is face THEM down.
But that contradicts your previous statement that the military should be used as a deterrent and that action isn't necessary to back it. The issue really is that you disagree with force in Iraq, not whether or not anyone who backs Bush is liberal or conservative as your own post just proved.
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as a result of beating down Al Qaeda the rest of them will be terrified of the CIA like every country is of the U.S. Military.
How do you know that? Are you reading people's minds and applying your Western ideology? When has a suicide bomber ever been deterred by the threat of death? Besides it just confirms my position that strength comes from action. You are basically saying it in that sentence.
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Yes, I said "When theyre to our advantage use them, else wise tell them to shove it." thats what we do with the UN and its cool with me. This is the internet we use all kinds of abbreviations so ^ urs lol. Speaking of religious...thats how you are in here with the spelling. Yes, we dont start fights, we finish em'. And those enemies you will create are the kind that will come after us and kill us. Not diplomatics that dislike us in the UN.

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We need to use our military as a deterrent and use force when neccessary like we did under Reagan. The point i'm making in the title is that the bushies are not conservatives as their actions in the last 4 years have not been at all conservative. Bush's speech yesterday supports it even more.

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Problem with you guys is you wanna keep acting and nvr back off. Ur like patton wanting to turn on Russia on VE day. I bet they'll be rly fcking scarred if it's probable theyre gonna be killed where they think theyre safest. If the CIA knocks off Al Qaeda and makes a rly good example of them I bet groups thinking of attacking us will continue on and attack us just like Soviet Russia did in 1950
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Problem with you guys is you wanna keep acting and nvr back off. Ur like patton wanting to turn on Russia on VE day.
My simple claim that you have already confirmed is that nothing is backed by strength if no action is taken. I never said we should never let up.
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Yes, we dont start fights, we finish em'.
Glad to see you support the war.

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And those enemies you will create are the kind that will come after us and kill us.
We dont start fights. We finish em. Right?

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Not diplomatics that dislike us in the UN.
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We need to use our military as a deterrent and use force when neccessary like we did under Reagan.
They only function as deterrents if the enemy really believes you will use them. A gun is useless if the person you are pointing it at doesnt believe you will pull the trigger.
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What since the soviets arent around to keep u wack jobs in ur place you feel like u have to push ppl around?
This, from your second post really made me choke on my coffee. What is more wacky, invading a nation using target specific techniques to oust an insane dictator, or spending 40 years building up the most destructive arsenal of nitrogen bombs so that some terrorist mad hatter can steal them when one of the nations collapses. I think you have a strange concept of wacky behavior.
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