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Old 02-07-2005, 07:43 AM
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the war is over. labeling it "warzone" doesn't make it any different from police "warzones" in the US in bad areas.
Semantics. It is naive to believe that what a cop faces in Chicago is analogous to what a soldier is facing in Iraq right now. The soldier is obviously far more vulnerable.

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You even call them "terrorists" - i.e again! this is not a war, this is policing a civilian population with a minority of violent insurgents/terrorists.
I thought they were "freedom fighters" heh heh

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like you said, he shouldn't have said it publicly - it's not even like he was a grunt...but a general!
That does not mean that their situation is analogous to that of a cop. It means he had a lapse in judgement that he should be taken to task for.

Being a liberal however, you want to expand on any possible opportunity to make the troops look as bad as possible.
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if a cop turned round and said he enjoyed shooting suspects...do you really think he'd be allowed to continue in his job!?
The practical reality of the job is that some people need killing. That sounds harsh, but consider the following:

A good friend of mine was involved in an armed standoff with a suicidal young man who hapened to be a gang member. After hours, he was finally able to talk the guy into disarming, and he was promptly checked into an emergency mental health placement.

Fast forward two weeks later. The boy is released from the mental health facility and goes to court where the judge determines him to be a threat to himself and others. He is ordered into secure placement (juvenile prison). But youth corrections case workers countermand the judge's orders and place him in an unsecured group home. The kid stays an hour and goes on the run.

The next time this officer, the same one who disarmed him, sees him is when he's killed two people and wounded two people doing an armed robbery on a small family-owned resturant. The take on the robbery is $17.

Needless to say, the officer was in counseling for quite a while, he actually blamed himself for talking the kid down, even though he did the right thing at the time.

No one should take pleasure in taking someone else's life. But, as the friend of mine who shot an armed gunman who stormed into a library in our area and shot several people once said, "some people just need killing."

The alternative to shooting this person was to allow him to continue shooting other people and he'd already demonstrated his will to do this. IN this instance, the officer who shot the gunman was the one who took it upon himself to do what needed to be done, and I must confess to grim satisfaction that he did his job so well.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that I take pleasure in it, but in a clear-cut instance like this where the guilt is certain, and the officer is protecting the lives of innocents, far better to kill the suspect.

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I thought they were "freedom fighters" heh heh
theres a mix. some terrorists that bomb their own people, the others insurgents trying to dislodge a illegal army.

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That does not mean that their situation is analogous to that of a cop.
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Being a liberal however, you want to expand on any possible opportunity to make the troops look as bad as possible.
Just the american ones. (see US war crimes thread)
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if a cop turned round and said he enjoyed shooting suspects...do you really think he'd be allowed to continue in his job!?
The practical reality of the job is that some people need killing. That sounds harsh, but consider the following:

A good friend of mine was involved in an armed standoff with a suicidal young man who happened to be a gang member. After hours, he was finally able to talk the guy into disarming, and he was promptly checked into an emergency mental health placement.

Fast forward two weeks later. The boy is released from the mental health facility and goes to court where the judge determines him to be a threat to himself and others. He is ordered into secure placement (juvenile prison). But youth corrections case workers countermand the judge's orders and place him in an unsecured group home. The kid stays an hour and goes on the run.

The next time this officer, the same one who disarmed him, sees him is when he's killed two people and wounded two people doing an armed robbery on a small family-owned resturant. The take on the robbery is $17.

Needless to say, the officer was in counseling for quite a while, he actually blamed himself for talking the kid down, even though he did the right thing at the time.

No one should take pleasure in taking someone else's life. But, as the friend of mine who shot an armed gunman who stormed into a library in our area and shot several people once said, "some people just need killing."

The alternative to shooting this person was to allow him to continue shooting other people and he'd already demonstrated his will to do this. IN this instance, the officer who shot the gunman was the one who took it upon himself to do what needed to be done, and I must confess to grim satisfaction that he did his job so well.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that I take pleasure in it, but in a clear-cut instance like this where the guilt is certain, and the officer is protecting the lives of innocents, far better to kill the suspect.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9904/15/church.shooting.03/

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im sure sadistic-saviour would be the first to point out a cop story has nothing to do with the army

but since i don't agree with SS - i will say that if theres a POW that 'needs killing' and that POW escapes and kills a US soldier later on.... what your saying is that the US should summarily execute POWs. if they 'need' it.

also he said it was 'fun' that has nothing to do with 'needing' killing like what your post talks about.
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From the thread entitled, "Why I love the south...", "I was trying to blow his brains out is what I was trying to do." You could say she was in a micro-warzone. And, I would suggest that most of us enjoyed reading about it. We grew up watching movies in which the bad guy gets it in the end. It is a hoot.

The police go to their job everyday prepared to shoot someone, but without expecting to be forced into it. Soldiers expect to use their weapon. Huge difference.
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From the thread entitled, "Why I love the south...", "I was trying to blow his brains out is what I was trying to do." You could say she was in a micro-warzone. And, I would suggest that most of us enjoyed reading about it. We grew up watching movies in which the bad guy gets it in the end. It is a hoot.

The police go to their job everyday prepared to shoot someone, but without expecting to be forced into it. Soldiers expect to use their weapon. Huge difference.
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theres a mix. some terrorists that bomb their own people, the others insurgents trying to dislodge a illegal army.
That doesnt stop liberals from assuming they are ALL freedom fighters...without a shred of proof either way of course.

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Me: Being a liberal however, you want to expand on any possible opportunity to make the troops look as bad as possible.

Just the american ones.
Admitting it is the first step.

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That doesnt stop liberals from assuming they are ALL freedom fighters...without a shred of proof either way of course.
in that case they are rather foolish, like i said, i dont prescribe to the thought that they are one or the other. I think most are just trying to get their country back....the rest who blow up their own people for this means are scum, terrorists and need erradicated.

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Admitting it is the first step.
i dont need 2 expand, the troops do it prefectly well themselfs. (see US war crimes in iraq - plane footage of them droipping bomb on civilians.

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it wasn't a typo no. Ulster i.e Northern Ireland. Troops were in the same situation as now faces troops in Iraq, and they were policing the area. Therefore comparisons between police/army are quitre suitable...hence why police and not just troops are being used in iraq.
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What is it exactly that leads you to believe that?

Wouldnt those who support a totalitarian regime also have an incentive to take the country back?
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I think most are just trying to get their country back....
What is it exactly that leads you to believe that?

Wouldnt those who support a totalitarian regime also have an incentive to take the country back?
the clues in the sentance.."take the country back" - they don't have they're country back, thats the point. Iraqis are of the opinion "No Saddam, no bush" they swaped one for the other...and now they want it back for themselfs....iraqis!
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