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Old 03-02-2005, 05:33 AM
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Default Who's Running This Country

Who's Running this country the government or the citizens? It's obvious that overall the nation is against this war and yet the government is going to voice their opinion and say "Hey we make the decisions not you." So they are going to tax us and use it for a war in which the majority doesn't even want. So I say we quit paying taxes and show them who is boss.
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Old 03-02-2005, 05:56 AM
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Default Nope

Good luck, they'll just raise taxes on the people who are still paying taxes to hire more IRS people to take away your stuff. In all realism, the taxes in every country mainly go towards useful things, very little of the money is wasted. Safe to say this complaing is not valid.

The fact that the people disagree with the war shows the ignorance of the people. If they were actually informed, they would know the reasons underlying the decision for the war, and it wasn't WMD.
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Default The majority of people disagree with the war?

Then why did a majority of voters select Bush, thus ensuring that it would continue?

Y'all seem to be a little out of touch with reality.

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Default Why bush won (aside from the cowboy hat)

If memory serves, I believe they chose Bush for three big reasons.

1) Moral Values - something that people didn't see in John Kerry.

2) The war on terrorism - though interestingly enough there was distinction between the war on terror and the war in Iraq (in which a majority of Americans believed that the US was "getting bogged down" and "on the wrong track."

3) However, what was really interesting was that people just didn't want to change commander in chiefs in the middle of the war. This turned a lot moderates against Kerry though a majority of them were noted that they would have perhaps voted differently if they felt that thier conuntry was out of Iraq and won the war on terror "enough." Intriging, no?
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Default Actually, the number one reason that voters selected Bush

according to exit polls, was the War on Terror.

The moral values issue, upon later examination, was almost totally overblown by the media to explain why their exit polls were so flawed.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200411100010

"Security Elected Bush"

Yes, the fact that moral values were more frequently mentioned in this year’s exit poll is significant, but it’s not as significant as it’s being touted to be. Although morality was a plurality winner in the exit poll’s “most important issue” sweepstakes, barely one in five voters (22 percent) said values were the top issue this time.


Here’s where Coker’s findings are instructive. Mason-Dixon conducted telephone polls in 11 battleground states during the closing days of the campaign. These polls probably offer the most illuminating and systematic evaluation of what happened Nov. 2.

Mason-Dixon polls were found to be the most accurate in 2002, according to a survey undertaken by the National Council on Public Polls (NCPP). The NCPP found that in 23 gubernatorial and Senate races, Mason-Dixon called only one wrong winner and had an average error on candidate polls of only 1.8 percent. According to early tabulations, it appears that Mason-Dixon will again lead the pack when the 2004 results are compiled by NCPP.

In each of the battleground states, Coker’s interviewers asked voters to identify the issue that “will be most important in determining your vote for president this year.”

Voters were offered seven choices: the economy; terrorism and homeland security; Iraq; healthcare, including Medicare; jobs; taxes; and moral issues and family values. Other responses were recorded as well.

Using this choice-set, the option of “terrorism and homeland security” dominated all other issues in each of the 11 states. In all but two states, 40 percent or more of the voters chose the terrorism-security option as most important. “Moral issues and family values” was the second most frequently chosen set of issues, but it lagged far behind national security, being chosen by just 20 to 27 percent of voters in the battleground states.
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Default Ira, you will note that I have referenced sources

It might be nice if you could substantiate your claims as well.

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Default Its not complaining its an opinion

And I stand by my opinion that the government is using our tax money for a lot of things in which the mass disagrees with.
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Default hmmm

How do you know the majority disapprove? Perhaps your opinions are not representative of the majority?
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Old 03-02-2005, 06:28 AM
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I know because of things like the new york times displaying polls on results. And therefore it is a fact. Idiot!
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Default Calm down catz

my responses weren't ordered in importance. Sorry for the mix up there. I got my resources from CNN for this post. I guess I could see If I could dig up the old articles from their archive. Otherwise, I usually use, CNN, Gallup, Heritage Foundation, US Gov't sites, Progressive Policy Institute. But next time, I will try to cite my sources. Good Point.

Yes, I do agree with you about the moral issue thing. Even CNN pointed that out which seemed remarkable for a major news corporation to do in my opinion.
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