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View Poll Results: Would You Agree To Be Waterboarded?
Yes 33 40.74%
No 25 30.86%
I'm Against Torture And I Say We Waterboard All Conservatives 23 28.40%
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So it's a (*)(*)(*)(*)ed if you do and (*)(*)(*)(*)ed if you don't poll? If we answer yes, we are cowards, if we answer no we are cowards too? I choose to answer option (D) It is okay to waterboard our enemies. But since you failed to include that option in your poll, I guess I will refuse to play your game.
The poll will mention nothing about enemies, I am asking if you yourself would agree to be waterboarded as a way of PROVING that it is isn't torture.

So far, every single one of the weak bastard torture lovers have turned tail and fled.
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Please, learn to tell the difference between psychological interogation techniques (waterboarding isn't really drowning, you know) and inflicting physical damage (ie, beating or scalping).
Waterboarding makes the person feel like they are drowning. That could be seen as psychological torture.

I guess being made to stand in the freezing cold and having buckets of cold water throw over you doesn't count as physical torture? I thought you said the US charged and prosecuted people from WW2 for doing this...hmmm...
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Jack if you are totally incapable of the search mode on this contraption we call informative, I cannot help you with the level of ignorance you seem to show.

Here let me help you, Look up crimes of humanity during WWII, Japanese war criminals, and/or United States & Chinese war trials of Japanese officers after WWII, you might even learn something.
Seems to me like it was you who claimed that WWII criminals were prosecuted and convicted for water-boarding, so, it also seems to me the that the responsibility for telling me who the criminals were also belongs to you. All I ask was who? So now you want me to go search for your proof? Is that your idea of debate? Just tell me who was convicted of water-boarding in the WWII war trials OK? If you can’t come up with anybody, I’ll understand.

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Presidents and Congress and even the judges are famous for breaking constitutional law the majority of them could have and should have been prosecuted and removed. The so called adult inmates have been running this asylum ever since I can remember. The so called adults elect these morons and power hungry perverts. That’s why we’re always in unconstitutional wars, always losing more of our constitutional rights. Always being ripped off by Wall Street bandits and arguing about torturing poo wittle terrorist who’d cut your head off in a New York minute.

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My apologies, I thought this was common knowledge. I guess "they" do not know there was trials after WWII? Dang public school system!


Jack this is a very informative over view of Japanese war trials we the United States conducted.
 
http://www.historynet.com/japanese-war-crime-trials.htm
 
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In 1945, at long long last, the bill was coming due. Before the courts-martial and military commissions recessed for the last time, some 5,600 Japanese had been prosecuted in more than 2,200 trials. Of these men–and a few women–more than 4,400 were convicted, and about 1,000 were executed. Testifying to the Allies’ determination to deal fairly with the enemy, there had also been about the same number of acquittals.
 
The nations that sat in judgment were the United States, Great Britain, Australia, the Netherlands, France, the Philippines and China. Some Japanese were ‘tried’ by the Soviet Union at its Kafkaesque worst, the tribunals serving simply as mouths for the rawest sort of political slander of the West. In stark contrast to their comrades in arms tried elsewhere, the defendants almost uniformly pleaded guilty, apologized publicly, and had something warm and fuzzy to say about the exemplary justice of the ‘People’s Paradise.’ Soviet trials are not included in the totals given above.
 
 
Please read this so you can understand what our country agreed to in writing, and acted on with others.


Legal Issues Concerning International Crimes
 
http://clearwisdom.net/eng/2000/oct/20/nmr102000_3.html
 
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Crimes against humanity are recognized as severe international offenses against the peace and security of mankind.

The "Drafted Code of Offences against the Peace and Security of Mankind" compiled by the International Law Commission of the UN made it an internationally recognized crime to engage in "systematic or mass violations of human rights". Crimes in this category include all those previously listed as "crimes against humanity" , and are extended from this list to include crimes of "torture, establishing or maintaining over persons a status of slavery, servitude or forced labor".


The characteristics of crimes against humanity are: Firstly, the perpetrator is a state or individual who carries out the crimes through state power. Secondly, the perpetrator carries out the crimes based on his personal political ambition, or hatred against people of different religious belief. And finally, the acts that constitute crimes against humanity include premeditated deprivation of human lives, forced slavery, delivering citizens to remote and desolated areas for forced labor; deportation or forcible transfer of population and other offenses that injure or deprive citizens of their rights to life, liberty, equal protection and religious faith.
 
Willful deprivation of civilian population's right to liberty, passing criminal sentence without legal and factual basis, maintenance of an extremely low standard of living for a civilian population, and persecution on the grounds of political, religious, and/or racial differences, are all within the ambit of crimes against humanity.
 
These documents spell out that not only can the dictator of a nation or other individual in power be held criminally liable for these offences, but liability can also be assessed against anyone who acts against humanity while implementing state policy.
 
In the "Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment", the UN defines the term "torture" as "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity."
 
Torturous acts are many, such as tying someone up, beating a person while suspended, burning or baking someone using fire, subjection to cold and hunger, electrical shocks, etc. The acts also include repeated interrogations, coercion, threats, insults and other means of mental torture. These criminal acts are not limited to interrogation or coerced confession in criminal proceedings; they also include any other acts that forcefully subject a person to physical or mental pain and suffering.
 
And lastly I know you only asked for one but here are several names charged with crimes against humanity, including the charges of water torture.
 
http://www.neverinournames.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1779


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Waterboarding makes the person feel like they are drowning. That could be seen as psychological torture.
Define torture. An authoritive definition, not a dictionary one.
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Define torture. An authoritive definition, not a dictionary one.
Anything that causes pyschological suffering, or prolonged physical suffering.
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We can make it retroactive.
I am sure you would want to!!!!
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It needs to be from an authority...
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You mean a law?
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