Do you I understand you to say that Bush is more concerned with his political life then the "culture of life" that he goes on and on about?

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"George W. Bush surrounds himself with smart people the way a hole surrounds itself with a donut." —Dennis Miller

Agree 100%. He'll talk and do nothing more. Just like the pro life Presidents before him. I also agree that there is a middle ground between the left fanatics who claim abortion should be allowed virtually any time and the fanatics on the right who claim an 8 week old fetus is a "baby".

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I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.

To the core of my being I simply do not care.

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I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.

I suspect, pragmatically, that most people with a functioning brain realize that the culture of life would not be served by completely outlawing all abortions, resulting in a women's healthcare nightmare and hundreds of thousands of unwanted children who would potentially go into an overburdened child welfare sysem.

And Bush isn't nearly as stupid as some would have you believe. I believe strongly in the idea of a culture of life, and yet even I wouldn't outlaw all abortions...I think the decision should be made on a scientific/medical basis, and not a dogmatic or polemic basis. I suspect Bush feels no differently.
Catz

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I'll get nicer when you get smarter.

I could be wrong since I can't know how Bush thinks, but I doubt he would agree with what you wrote here. If we care about the culture of life, then we need to find a way to take care of those unwanted children. I doubt Bush's pro-life supporters would be excited and motivated to work for him if he believed that "abortion is ok, but not at the present levels."

Your opinion makes sense considering your line of work, but most pro-life people aren't in favor of any abortions. What you are doing, either intentionally or unintentionally, is making the pro-choice argument and implicitly applying it to Bush (or at least that is what you seem to be doing).

Bush might believe that, but he doesn't want people to believe that he does:

Bush said that although outlawing abortion remains a distant goal, it is one that seems to be moving slowly into view. "The America of our dreams, where every child is welcomed . . . in life and protected in law, may still be some ways away," Bush said. "But even from the far side of the river . . . we can see its glimmerings."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Jan24.html

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"George W. Bush surrounds himself with smart people the way a hole surrounds itself with a donut." —Dennis Miller

From George, then, if that (above) were the case.

Somewhat futile going into the 'what I believe that George believes' discussion; its content will be coloured by the position of the individual, reflecting more closely, I suspect, their own position rather than George's.

Case in point - above. And y'know, personally, I dont believe that that is what George believes at all (another case in point).

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"A man's work is nothing but this slow trek to rediscover, through the detours of art, those two or three great and simple images in whose presence his heart first opened."

Couldn't we change this to, "If we care about the culture of life, then we need to find a way to prevent unwanted pregnancies."

I once heard Bush say something about abortion which was exactly my own point of view - that changing the law was not nearly as important as changing people's minds.

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"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~Ronald Reagan

Why is society morally obligated to care for children whose parents irresponsibility and impulsiveness brought them into existence? The issue isn't caring for unwanted children, it is creating a culture of responsibility in which fewer unwanted children are created due to stupid actions on the part of ostensibly responsible adults.

Whether he believes it is one thing...he certainly isn't going to express that philosophy tho he has expressed a philosophy of wanting to reduce abortions...a philosophy that I happen to agree with...I think we should reduce abortions in this country through both legal means and moral peer pressure...

The hardliners aren't, and they are the ones controlling the debate. But the majority of Americans aren't opposed to some curtailing of abortions whle leaving early first trimester abortions legal and safe.

Well, it's a line his mother walked.

Catz
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I'll get nicer when you get smarter.

so let me get this straigh. i try to post critizising catholic practices....and it gets deleted 3 tiems and im threatened because it's "inflamitory" etc.... yet theres a post here calling the US PRESIDENT THE SON OF THE DEVIL - but because it's a calim made by church types it gets critical acclaim & 4 pages........hummm, not what had i been saying about hypocracy?

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I am a stone, I do not move. I take my time, I let him come closer. I have only one bullet. I aim at his eye. I do not tremble, I have no fear.

I am all for it, but how do we do it? I think most people would prefer stopping unwanted pregnancies rather than abortion, but it is the practical side that is the problem. Abstinence programs are a joke, but if you can give a reasonable plan to stop unwanted pregnancies, I will be onboard.

Ok, how?

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"George W. Bush surrounds himself with smart people the way a hole surrounds itself with a donut." —Dennis Miller