When you quote literature, you should really mention where you got it from, and changing some words doesn't really fool anybody. That's actually called plagarism. Old Major is spinning over in his grave right now.

Know, Jacobin you will have to forgive me because I am a simple gentleman (although you would prefer to call be capitalist pig I am sure) who loves a well moral, regulated liberty that takes it roots into the traditional order and freedoms that has been passed down to me by my ancestors. Now of course that abstractly thinking Jacobin here seems not to understand that. Or perhaps you are simply Superior to all the vast human knowledge accumulated over the ages. You seem to believe that you and your few comrades have a vast array of knowledge among your small group then all of the permanent things combined. You obviously most have more moral knowledge then the ancient Hebrew's because your beliefs outlaw a entire peoples collected knowledge over centuries. Moses, Abraham, David, all the great judges you surly know more then them all. You seem to have stronger moral, and political guidance then Plato, Aristotle, and the great Greek city of Athens because your history books would eventually forget them. You would forget the lesson's of the moral relativism, the sophists and how they lead to the weakening and ultimate downfall of Athens. You seem to understand better then Cicero, and Cato (older and younger) the correct way a republic and statesman should act, because you Jacobin's well also forget them in your "new society". Adam Smith's Moral Sentiments, and Wealths of Nation's won't be studied and learned from but will only provide you warmth in the freezing cold at state sponsors book burning. The idea's of Edmund Burke, well be forgotten and oppressed as he warning against Utopian ideals will surly clash with your Jacobin/communist beliefs. The Declaration of Independence will be destroyed, along with the Constitution because the ideas of a capitalist country are useless and ignorant especially one that protects, Freedom of Speech, of the Press and most dangerous of all to your Jacobin's of Religion. The Catholic Church, the King James bible, Buddhist temples, The Torah, the wailing wall, Muslim Masc, will all be destroyed cause nothing can be ahead of the mighty state. All most be changed, nothing can be remembered. So when the final Church bell comes crashing down, all history books are burnt, and the very knowledge of 2000 years plus of human knowledge is destroyed what will you do then? How will you exist, what kind of world will you pass onto your children? Will you clap when they all can re sight Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto by heart? Will you beat them if they come up with thoughts of there own or worse yet kill them? When they wonder, at the wonder of it all how the mysterious of the world exist especially the question of where we are selfs came from, well you kill them when they start to ask questions, and start to make there own answers? How many daughters well never get that final bedtime story at night because there father was dragged out of the house and then shot in the back of the head because he refused to conform to the ways of the party? How many mother's will be raped and beaten in front of there own children's eyes in order to get information out of her husband who runs a organization fighting for liberty? How many bullets must be fired, how much blood must be spilled, how much should morality be twisted for your ultimate desire of Enslaved equality?

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Nobody with open eyes can any longer doubt that the danger to personal freedom comes chiefly from the left. - F.A. Hayek

Where have all the Conservatives Gone?

There is always hope, as long as one can think.

By the way, you are calling for workers to unite.... I have to ask, what kind of work do you do and how long have you been doing it? Are you qualified to make such strong statements?

Before you take over the country, why don't you first try living under this red flag and try to get the workers there to unite:

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Comrades? Dude get over this quasi Russian bullhockey. We aren't your comrades. And what's with the drama, are you expecting to croak? Why do you "feel it is your duty?"

Hmmm...so you are a lonely geek in high school. That hardly qualifies you as a superior being. It certainly doesn't make you the next Ghandi.

No, yours is, because you are lazy so you perceive life as laborious even though you lay alone in your room. It is short because your pompous fake knowledge makes everyone want to kill you.

Really? Just enough food to keep breath? Actually, it seems the opposite is quite an epidemic here. The last atom of our strength? Hey, the world needs people that ride the desk too.

I dunno about you, but my college years were filled with happiness and leisure...haven't ever met a proletariat. There was also way too much beer and really hot college chicks.

Wow! How original! A recycled idea from the 60s that was immensely popular but seemingly forgotten by all its adherents, whose turn to yuppiness is the reason we gen-x ers have to work so hard. But you can always stay with your mommy.

Does that make you teh Bourgeoisie? Or do you fail to qualify due to your burger king fry cook exemption?

Why do you see builders before you? Are you hallucinating that you are giving a sermon on a mount?

So you believe that all children live outdoors? Have you ever put down your Karl Marx reader for impressionable teenagers long enough to get yourself a good education? Ever read Adam Smith?

So here is a great idea that caused decades of death, misery, famine and utter stupidity in communist China.

No, I wouldn't like fries with that.

I think you're one of those guys who will go ballistic and shoot up his high school after you've been given too many melvins/ swirlies/wedgies etc.

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and instead of lying around in the bedroom of your parents' residence, try reading up on what happens where those ideas are actually followed:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...c&sid=84439559

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"You sound like a gen-x coffee house dick" - From the outtakes to Office Space

Castro did so because the money is needed to buy supplies for his country. Everything would work if not for the blockade that America set up!

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“Capitalism cannot reform itself; it is doomed to self-destruction. No universal selfishness can bring social good to all.” —Dr. W.E.B. Du Bois

Very good with your philosophy but let me correct you a bit. You mistake all communism for stalinism and had Trotsky come to power the Soviet Union would have been successful. The Declaration of Independence would remain because it speaks socialist truth without you knowing it. Religion would remain but only in the home; not in school or politics and no churches,temples, or mascs because they take valuable space for a hospital or a school. Freedom of speech would remain as long as it spoke the truth. Political parties would remain but would be lightly checked incase it were counter-revolutionary. The People would vote if we went to war. Representatives would be voted in from every major city by the People. Literature of all types would remain because it criticizes and that makes it art. There would be no invasions of the home unlike the Patriot Act. You see, comrade; know what your talking about before you speak.

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“Capitalism cannot reform itself; it is doomed to self-destruction. No universal selfishness can bring social good to all.” —Dr. W.E.B. Du Bois

Thank you, Jacobin.

Show me a communist state that hasn't thought and oppressed free thought, as well as the ideals of Western Society. As far as Trotsky, its simple wishful thinking. Trotsky is the what if candidate, for ever modern Jacobin/Communist. He "could" have, saved it. He "would" have made it work. The old Jacobin's could have said the same thing about Georges Couthon.

So, basically instead of teaching the past history surrounding the history, of the Declaration of Independence you will alter and change it to suit your personal goals. You will discus the "socialist truths" that was hidden stated in the document. I also noticed, you aren't saving the Constitution I wonder why that is Jacobin.

So, basically you will drive religion out of the public square. You will tear down churches, temples, and mascs there by breaking individuals bond with there ancestral doctrines. Religion will be driven underground. It will be forced to exist like a hidden society. You would return Christianity to its forum, before Constantine.

What "truth"? Your "truth"? IF someone can prove it? If I, or someone brings for evidence that communism is ineffective compared to capitalism will you accept that truth or shoot them in the back of the head for heresy, and not speaking "the truth".

So, government would check the party line huh? What is "counter-revolutionary? Anything that speaks out against communism? Conservatism? Liberalism? Reform minded individuals? Or most all parties conform to your strain of thought? Do they even get to argue what kind of symbol that want?

Oh, I'm sure thats assuring to your future slaves. Don't worry boys and girls if Daddy Jacobin and Brother Communist decided to go to war, we will let you vote. Who, counts the votes? Or like all over Jacobin's do that votes simply get used for starting fires.

So people living in the country don't get to practice there rights that where passed down to them by the ancestors?

Right, like all over communist before you. Just another example of Metaphysical Abstractions.

Right, like every other Communist regime.

Jacobin, you seem not to take any criticism of ideas. I should "Know" what I am talking about "before I speak"? Or don't you mean, "You should conform to the way I think, before you dare comment against me".

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Nobody with open eyes can any longer doubt that the danger to personal freedom comes chiefly from the left. - F.A. Hayek

Where have all the Conservatives Gone?

There is always hope, as long as one can think.

Well the use of the word 'comrade' was rather grating wasn't it? Whilst Schwarzwald may very well know about what you speak before you do so, Rockyreagan, I don't- whats a Jackobin?

Anyways, whilst I probably agree with Schwarzwald on most of his views in regards to communism and capitalism, I am rather alarmed by what seems to be a rather militant mindset in regards to its installation. I'm thinking that in its past, many of communism's flaws' -its militarisation, heavy state control, lack of democatic elements- are partially due to the situation that gave birth to their various revolutions.
It is not that such problems are indicative of communism itself, as many of its detractors would say, but that other factors besides the economic theory and neccesary practice result in the undesirables of communism.

-Any revolution can merely be a way for those wishing power to gain it, regardless of what their real attitudes towards what they espouse to gain support. Stalin for instance didn't seem like a mental giant, and acted rather
pragmatically enough for one to think he wasnt interested in anything other than his own self advancement.

-The extreme hostilty of the rest of the world towards the Bolshevik revolution, and the violent nature of the opening years of their regime, required a very controlled and ruthless nature to survive. I'm not trying to justify any of their actions here, everyone is self responsible, but it was this furnace that formed, warped perhaps, the Bolsheviks. Would it be fair to say that all other socialist rules have come into being under similar conditions?

-No communist regime has come into being from in a democratic tradition, or a democratic mechanism. Not surprisingly this has resluted in lots of frowned upon non democratic elements. Any socialism that I would support could only be acheived through peacful democratic means.

My point is that much of what communism is justly attacked upon are things that would probably be common to any revolution. If the world were predominately democratic/socialist and hostile to capatalism, if an isolated capatalist nation was born, I imagine that it would be highly restrictive and militaristic, lacking in democracy as communism has been so far.
Just to support this idea, look at the emergence of McCarthyism in response
to communism- an attempt to censor and control those opposing the system surely? This state control was common to both systems, albeit far lesser in America, but then the system was safer.

Anyway main point: always remember thet communsim has so far been introduced by autocratic means- thus it was rather autocratic. Until we have an example of a democratic installation of communism we can't be sure whether autoocracy is thje natural bedfellow of communism.

Not the main point: Due to capitalism, a substantial amount of today's democracies have a strong Timocratic element- Rich people get elected, after spending lots of money. Even if its not codified, right now you need wealth to get elected:simple as that.
Its funny how communism is derided as being a system that allows peopele to not do any work, when it is supposed to be everyone working, and it is capatlism that has created bizarre differences in wealth, that can not possibly be justified by an effort equals wealth argument. Capitalism that has created a class that does no work but live better than those that do. Strange.