But Emilio sounds so much better...

plus I misspelled it....

Ah well, i'll correct it someday...

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"Better to die on you feet than live on your knees" - Emilio Zapata

many people hate communism/democracy etc coz they associate these words with scum like soviets, clinton, blair etc.... these idiots associate themselves with these words like freedom, democracy to gain popularity while committing crimes.

let me tell you all something about communism socialism whatever.... :
the world we're lookingfor here of course is FAIR to ALL.... and i, unlike many believe that this can be only achieved by direct democracy and not the nonsence where democracy goes thru the network of billionaire run television media, a democracy where i actually can vote for what rights i will have and not some politician puppet who once ellected will drop some bombs, destroy some buildings and announce new patriotic freedom rules act..... this is such an old trick that.....

same with soviets - they were dictators associating themselves with a nice name.

true democracy/socialism can only be achieved by organizing and promoting democratic media and campaigns to urge people to ignore all politics on corporate media, pay attention and vote for candidates shown on democratic media instead.

if you dissagree, theres nothing to talk about, this is the only way, theres no argument about this, other way it will be just another corrupt system with a new nice name, seen too many times. like a new rock group becoming famous and living a good life..... i'm sure they're already planning something like that:

one day on the media they will announce that new political group which indeed will be from top operated by same zionists, have some young or old puppet "brave guys" to take over our "bad" government, maybe even kill them all, and we the people will be happy for a few weeks, but it will be the same crap.

This is a common misconception of many commies. They think "well, if only these people understood what communism was really about, then they might not hate it!"

Well, I have some bad news for you. Many of us really do understand what communism is about. Some of us even used to consider ourselves communists. No one lied to us or misled us, and we didnt misunderstand it. We believe that even assuming that it starts out benign, it will degenerate into totalitarianism.

So far, when pressed, no s-called communist on this forum has been able to explain how they would prevent a degeneration into totalitarianism. Not one. If you think you might be the first, feel free to make your pitch.

Benign intentions are irrelevant if the result is our collective ruin. Stupid people can cause as much damage as evil people, even if they are not evil.

Do you have any idea how many people have predicted America's downfall over the decades? What makes you think you are different?

stupid people are much easier to fool if they only watch corporate media eg. commercials.
but i wonder who and what you mean by stupid?


im not talking decades, im talking history in general and not just america. do some reading about zionism, do a search on blackmail, maybe you will understand who runs america, perhaps now you think the frontman bush,well, hes just a dork as you said stupid idiot no less evil if in charge.....however hypocrite is even worse, and bush claiming to want to spread democracy while having all these democracy hating people on his side is what hypocrisy is all about.

this is what i love about all this democracy spreading. all of this hatred is poured out toward Iran, which, before iraq was invaded, was by far the most democratic out of all the rest of the islamic states as far as actual voting is concerned. far more freedoms in iran then say....saudi arabia...or pakistan....hahahaha. hillarious stuff. and also, id rather live in iran now then iraq at the moment..democracy isn't everything. if you vote only to be blown up right after....hm....death, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? lets get the basics fixed before we talk about democracy. seriously...a democracy needs the permission of the minority in order to work. iran is still the most universally free country in the mid east...save israel perhaps...all this theocracy talk in iran isn't going to be any different then iraq in ten to twenty years....iraq will be run by the same people that run iran! the shiites! The rise of persia again! Bwahahahaha.

The commie alternative is to trust blindly in leaders that supposedly have the masses best interests at heart. This is how communism degenerates into totalitarianism.

I saw a quote from DUNE that sums it up better than I ever could:

That quote pretty much sums up our feelings about Communism and Socialism.

I mean that if the system is flawed and doesnt work, it does not matter how well meaning you are. It will still lead to ruin.

People that cling to a flawed system are what I meant by stupid. If a system is flawed, it is stupid to advocate it.

We are unlike any nation that existed before us. Historical comparisons are irrelevant.

Been there. Done that. If zionist goals are parallel to our own, I dont see the problem.

That "Stupid Dork" is doing what the American masses WANT him to do. He is not controlling us. He reflects our collective will. What about him exactly is it that you consider evil?

well, screw those particular people - thats democrap party ideology - works only for elected leaders and is liked by those who want to be elected "to make things better" coz theyre lazy to work and have a nice vision in their imagination, but once in power, zionists will pressure them into "how to do things right you need to invade this or that country which is causing all the problems..."

totaly agree.

how are we different? we're not the only ones that were powerful enough to buy allies and invade other countries.... thats the thing - were no different then any powerful idiotic countries who use their power to destroy without much use of brain, just for their own personal purpose/benefit. were' just on top at the time, but not for long at all, only since the communism fell, and now people around the world are waking up, and soon will come a sad ending like for germany and countless other nations thruout history, i mean i dont know exactly how - maybe it's slowly happening already? like most "home owners" in america being really slaves - barely affording mortgage, then losing homes....

BUSH? lying, lying lying. i mean what explanations do you want? oh, somebody TOLD him about wmd's, nuclear fuel rods, etc. so he's innocent? this is like saying "im a retard, don't blame me" well a retard IS evil. ignorance IS a crime.

Claiming tobe christian, yet refusing Saddam Husseins offer before the war to go one on one to save all american lives. i mean if that bush guy of yours would have any respect for himself or for his country, to refuse an offer like that is impossible - would have saved just on american side 1700 (probably times 10 or 50 like after vietnam war) plus 12,000 woundings (probably times 10 or 50)......
maybe you have not heard about this offer, no, they did not make a big deal, but it is a big deal to me considering a leader bush is prepared to invade a much smaller nation after dissarming it "to avoid invasion" as he claimed to save american lives, yet was afraid to risk his own....

perhaps you want to tell me he was some sort of a genius whos life was worth much more then 1700 american ++++++ lives? and knowing that he decided its not worth the risk, because without him, our country will colapse?

Please tell me, what is your alternative to elected leaders. Who makes the decisions if not elected leaders?

We are far more genetically and culturally diverse than any nation before us. We impact every nation on the planet. We have instant access to ideas from every culture in the world. We are fully democratic...we have no slaves or vassal states. We do not conquor other nations with the intent of enslaving them.

Wow...where have I heard that before? heh heh

Let me know when our downfall happens somewhere other than your imagination.

or...maybe it's not happening at all? Maybe you are just imagining it? Is that a possibility?

Homes they could sell whenever they want. Homes they are building equity on.

And yeah...some of them spend beyond their means. Who's fault is that? Is someone holding a gun to their head or something?

But you cant prove it. And we should just take your word for it, right?

Do you often accuse people without proof or is Bush special?

You're joking right?

Probably because you are making it up...

Um...yeah. Apparently. And so do a majority of Americans. He was re-elected.

i wish i could. vote at least and not just for a pupet who i know will mislead me. so the answer is DIRECT DEMOCRACY - those who want to vote, can vote, but aparently you like hypocritical democracy.

fully democratic? LOL read above.... no slaves? LOL what do you call iraqi people who can only get a job joining the military? free men?

they reject courts

Claiming tobe christian, yet refusing Saddam Husseins offer before the war to go one on one to save all american lives. NO, absolutely NOT.

... NO, absolutely NOT. probably because the real intent was not to get rid of the old friend (1980s) but to invade a country, therefor 1 on 1 duel would not achieve anything they really want.

majority of americans did not vote,
LOL. got u, a GENIUS. ok.good thing i asked, now we all know bush is a genius. thanks for being straight forward: bush can not put his life in danger to save all his beloved americans because he is too important of a genius.

Socialism and Communism
Q: How can communism be achieved in the US?
A: Unity of the working class will be needed. Workers will have to realize that capitalism cannot solve the problems it creates and that it is only beneficial to the few who own the factories, mines, press and government. Hopefully, we will achieve this in the voting booth; but if the capitalists attack, we will defend ourselves and our system.
Q: Can people decide what job they want in communist countries?
A: Yes, and better than under capitalism. Now, you get a job based on the education you receive, and the people you know: poor education + bad connections = a poor job, generally. Communism will allow people who have aptitudes for certain work the education--for free--to learn the skills it takes to do that work.
Q: Why would anyone be motivated to work hard under communism? If you work harder, shouldn't you get more?
A: People can learn to be motivated by working for the common good. If we help each other, we both gain. Capitalism encourages us to fight against each other for crumbs, while the very few stuff themselves on the pie.
Q: Why don't you like democracy, why is communism better?
A: Democracy and communism are not opposites. Communists believe in TRUE democracy, as opposed to our "bourgeois democracy." What that means is when you only get to choose between millionaires running for election, working class people (the vast majority of society) aren't really represented. Elections in a capitalist system are almost always decided by who can get the most corporate money. True democracy will be realized under communism because everyone will have an equal say in society.
Q: The world has never been fair, so how can the communists make it fair?
A: Fairness is a function of how wealth is distributed. Under capitalism, workers receive only a small percentage of the wealth that they create. Under socialism, workers receive a larger share. Under communism, workers (all people) will receive everything.
Q: What is the difference between communism and socialism?
A: The short answer is socialism is "from each according to their ability and to each according to their DEEDS," and communism is "from each according to their ability and to each according to their NEEDS." The longer answer is socialism is the step between capitalism and communism. Socialism still has people working for wages, therefore monetary equality has not be reached. Socialism is the society that will pave the way for a communist society by setting a foundation of co-operation and sharing of all things in common. Communism is the realization of these goals.
Q: What would be the benefits of socialism in the US?
A: Just to name a few there would be jobs for all at living wages, full equality and an end to racism, sexism and homophobia, health care for all, a right to a clean healthy environment, equal rights for immigrant workers, free public education form nursery to university, peace and solidarity.
Q: Is socialism inevitable?
A: If the human race is to survive--yes, it is. Capitalism cannot solve the problems it creates. For example, the capitalists want to pay workers less and less so they can have more and more for themselves. But when the workers have less, they can buy less, which means the capitalist end up with less as a result. It's a vicious circle that has no solution under capitalism.
Q: Does socialism automatically end exploitation, racism, sexism and homophobia?
A: No. These societal ills are products of capitalism, but they will not vanish immediately with socialism. They have been around for centuries, and will take generations of the humanistic system of socialism and a constant struggle to cure. But, socialism will make ending these problems possible, while capitalism encourages them. At the same time, we can't wait until "after the revolution" to fight these ills. The fight against exploitation, racism, sexism and homophobia is a crucial part of the struggle for socialism.
Q: How can you have communism and still have individual freedom?
A: By limiting bureaucracy, establishing human-rights laws (the CPUSA and YCL have always advocated bill-of-rights socialism), and reminding all workers that they need to remain involved in union and civic activities.
Q: How free are the people in communist countries? What kind of rights do they have? Can they think for themselves and make their own choices?
A: These things vary according to each socialist country. Generally, no one has the right to become wealthy or spread capitalistic propaganda. In capitalist countries, we have only illusions of freedom and democracy because the media is owned by only a few corporations and the political campaigns are financed by the billionaires.
Q: Are there taxes in communist countries?
A: Generally no. However some socialist countries levy taxes on corporations and wealthy individuals.
Q: How can people get ahead in a communist country?
A: Ahead of whom? Under capitalism, people get ahead of other people. Many poor and working class people in this country consider putting food on the table being ahead of the game. Under socialism, and eventually communism, all people get ahead together with basic necessities and luxuries.

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“Capitalism cannot reform itself; it is doomed to self-destruction. No universal selfishness can bring social good to all.” —Dr. W.E.B. Du Bois