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Old 05-12-2005, 04:42 PM
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"Conservative reform, in fact, turns out to be a lot like liberal reform. Each involves a whirlwind of government activity. Each is a formula for politics without end--splendid indeed for politicians and government employees, but a bit tiring for the rest of us. Who can blame the public for beginning to show its weariness? The fatigue came to a head in the Schiavo case, and the president's poll numbers have yet to recover ... A lack of modesty and self-restraint is one excellent reason Americans grew to despise liberals in the first place. The high-water mark of American liberalism came in 1993 and 1994, when President Clinton and his wife, under the guise of "health care reform," decided they would assume control of one-seventh of the nation's economy in order to make it more rational and fair. Voters responded by handing the federal legislature to the Republican party. History may record that what offended them wasn't liberalism but busybodyism - the endless, frenetic search by elected officials for ever-new ways to make the country more fabulous. Bush and his Republicans are close to proving that busybodyism can become a creature of the right as well as the left." - Andrew Ferguson,
Even more tru conservatives are speaking out aginst the spend thirft big government repubs like Bush.

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There isn't much room in there for a strong, principled conservatism. Nor do the British seem to want such a thing. Look at those voting figures. Since the Lib-Dems are to the left of Labor, and most of the little nationalist parties are even further left than that, the vote breaks down as one third for conservatism — the much diluted conservatism of the post-Thatcher Tories — and two thirds for everything further left. Apparently our cousins across the pond are pretty happy in their Old-Europe-trending welfarist consensus. Real conservatism is dead in Britain.

Is it any better off here in the USA? Hardly. Executive, legislature, judiciary — where can we look for strong promotion of, and adherence to, conservative principles? We think of our president as a conservative, but in what respects can he be said to have advanced conservatism?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156260,00.html

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Federalism has always been a key element of American conservatism. In his 1960 manifesto, The Conscience of a Conservative, Barry Goldwater called for the federal government to "withdraw promptly and totally from every jurisdiction which the Constitution reserves to the states."

Ronald Reagan ran for president promising to send 25 percent of federal taxes and spending back to the states. As Republicans took control of Congress in 1995, Newt Gingrich stressed that "we are committed to getting power back to the states."

Lately, though, conservatives -- at last in control of both the White House and both houses of Congress -- have forgotten their longstanding commitment to reduce federal power and intrusiveness and return many governmental functions to the states. Instead, they have taken to using their newfound power to impose their own ideas on the whole country.

Conservatives once opposed the creation of a federal Education Department. Congressional Republicans warned, "Decisions which are now made in the local school or school district will slowly but surely be transferred to Washington…. The Department of Education will end up being the Nation's super schoolboard. That is something we can all do without.''

But President Bush's No Child Left Behind Act establishes national education testing standards and makes every local school district accountable to federal bureaucrats in Washington.

President Bush and conservative Republicans have been trying to restrain lawsuit abuse by allowing class-action suits to be moved from state to federal courts. The 2002 election law imposed national standards on the states in such areas as registration and provisional balloting. A 2004 law established federal standards for state-issued driver's licenses and personal identification cards.
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Bush is not a true conservative by any stretch of the imagination. The only reason that the "real" conservatives voted for Bush is that they could never stomach voting for Kerry... in other words, they disliked Kerry more than they disliked Bush.

One thing that bothers me about the Republicans is that they are almost as socialist as the Democrats, except instead of giving money to wasteful government programs like the Dems do, the Republicans give it to wasteful corporations like GM or airlines.... as if they have a right to throw away taxpayers like that!
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Bush is not a true conservative by any stretch of the imagination. The only reason that the "real" conservatives voted for Bush is that they could never stomach voting for Kerry... in other words, they disliked Kerry more than they disliked Bush.
You know, I didn't like Kerry either, but I figured that the Republican Congress wouldn't let him do anything stupid. Unfortunately, the only thing stopping Bush, Frist, and friends from continuing to waste our money and implement their socially medieval views is a small group of rational republicans within Congress who aren't walking lockstep with Bush.
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Bush is not a true conservative by any stretch of the imagination. The only reason that the "real" conservatives voted for Bush is that they could never stomach voting for Kerry... in other words, they disliked Kerry more than they disliked Bush.
You know, I didn't like Kerry either, but I figured that the Republican Congress wouldn't let him do anything stupid. Unfortunately, the only thing stopping Bush, Frist, and friends from continuing to waste our money and implement their socially medieval views is a small group of rational republicans within Congress who aren't walking lockstep with Bush.
enter John McCain.

Of course these "rational" Republicans are also pretty loose on important issues like illegal immigration as well.
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