No one can be robbed of their integrity. They willingly sell it. Consequently, they have none.

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill

All I know is that very few have it. Whether they lost it or never acquired it makes no difference to me. The effect is the exact same. But I do know this: Money does strange things to people. Money rules DC. There was a time when ideas ruled. We are long past that time.

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I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.

And I believe it is fair to say this is not what the majority of people expect from their government. Which again illustrates my "Radical Middle" idea of a political movement.

I know a person from church who has been involved in politics all his adult life. He could call President Bush on his phone if he chose. I'm going to throw this idea at him next time I see him. He is a person of great integrity.

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill

but they certainly expect it. That's why people rarely pay attention to all the crap in DC. They expect their politicians to be shady. They don't like it, but they accept it nonetheless.

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I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.

Well, if they don't like it, why don't they do something about it? I agree "they" don't like it. What I reject is the notion "they" can't do anything about it. They (meaning "we") CAN do something about it. I do not accept the notion of, "well, that's the way it is..." I belong to a church that was birthed out of this notion. We reject the notion, "well, that's just the way it is." We do not live in the past. Rather, we live in the present. We seek to partner with God in what He is doing, in the here and now. I seek to partner with people who wish to totally distance themselves from the idea of, "well, that's the way it is..." I'm not interested in the way it has always been. I'm interested in a far better way!

There's so much more I wish to say and add. But I won't. Perhaps tomorrow morning I'll add to my thoughts.

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill

I'll have a slice of pro-choice, a side order of controlled borders, a half a scoop of gun control, a main course of "no more corporate welfare", and just pour some fair/reasonable taxes over the whole thing for good measure!! Too go please!!

Think of the combinations possible. There would be thousands of parties, and their particular candidate to cover their customized platform. The ballot would look like a roll of TP. After the election they could sell the commemorative roll as TP. YUK!! YUK!!

Or are you suggesting that each issue would be, and is always black or white, your either for it or against it, mentality (isn't that the problem now???). Well almost all issues are not a clear white or a dull black, there are several shades to be considered.


The problem is that the system is in dead lock (right where most politicians want to be)!! It has evolved into an ineffective, disemboweled hull of outdated machinery.

When this system started your friendly representative would come around door to door, church to church, and town hall to town hall, to visit with you and find out what 'you', their constituents, wanted or needed from their elected representative, by the close of the next session. They would also take the time to explain why that might not be possible or even suggest ways to get to the final goal. Because he wanted and needed their backing. Then they would go to Washington and "represent the people who put them there"! Far more of the representatives of that day had their integrity in tact, when they finished the job they were sent to do. Now they hide behind; you sent me there to make the best decision. But to himself; I had to make my decision based on what is best for my political future, and what is best for my party as a whole. There is a reason why you don't tell a small child they can only have a cookie if they are hungry, because they will always be hungry!! Once you open that Pandora’s box, and tell them to do as they wish and we will honor their decision, that cookie jar will always be empty and we will foot the bill to keep it full. They all know they don’t have to worry about a thing as long as they side with the party the party will take care of them.

Case in point; You suggest that if an elected official is not doing their job, the people simply vote them out. Well when the citizens of Missouri tried to remove a religious nut job, who used his office to push his agenda, from the office of senator, the party came to his rescue and put him into an even more damaging position of Attorney General of the whole country. Missouri citizens tried to send a very clear message that voting for a dead guy was better than having this person in public office. So President Bush made him head lawdog and now we have the Patriot Act, to streamline the justice system, and as a consolation, so they can rub his old constituents noses in it!!! Absolute misuse of power, to show you (citizens), who are really in charge!!

I realize that there are as many if not more democrat examples too, I just thought that this fit the category of what we are discussing. Instead of heading the warning of an entire state, republicans just went over their heads!! These are the leaders we are cursed with!! You can’t get rid of them, even when they have proven to be unacceptable for public office!!

At least you are thinking, thats more than I can say for most elected officials!! I like my politics over easy with a slice of ham!!

Buck S. N.

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There are only two things wrong with this great nation of ours, democrats and republicans!

Not necessarily in that order.

It is obvious you would not feel welcomed in a political movement based on personal integrity, where ones faith does not automatically disqualify one for public service. I believe there is a place for you in the demo party, however.

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill

The fact that you ( not necessarily you per say, but I'm getting a little worried) have religious beliefs and holds them to be dear and near your heart doesn't automatically disqualify you from office, the fact that you impose your beliefs on others, and disregards others their rights under the constitution in the name of your god! That's what makes you a nut job, and that is what should (but it doesn't) remove you from eligibility.

I actually thought you were going somewhere with this, but you obviously haven't got a clue as to what being an American is all about. Everybody is not going to think like you, the constitution guarantees the right not to think as you and "Thank God"! Anything else would be an imposition.

Integrity- Upright character, and honesty, quality or state of being complete!!

Nope, I don't see religious nut job as a requirement for having integrity. You may not want to admit it, but you are creating your own definitions. An atheist can have integrity just the same as a Christian.

Besides I can't be a democrat, I don't believe in welfare, I believe in hard work, I don't think that higher taxes is the answer to everything, I don't think illegal aliens have rights, and I cannot and will not follow blindly, of course that last one makes me ineligible to join your party too!!! Individualism is an awesome responsibility!!

Why are you trying to start a new political party anyway, your obviously a republican too the core? You already fall into line, when you are told too!!

Buck S. N.

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There are only two things wrong with this great nation of ours, democrats and republicans!

Not necessarily in that order.

"...the fact that you impose your beliefs on others, and disregards others their rights under the constitution in the name of your god! That's what makes you a nut job, and that is what should (but it doesn't) remove you from eligibility."

For the reading impaired (such as this one), I shall once again post the entirety of the First Amendment:

Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Now, for your claim to be valid, will you please refer me to the law Congress passed that established a religion? What is the Bill Number of this law Congress passed? What is the name of this religion that Congress established? What is the religion's doctrines and beliefs? Who heads up this religion established by Congress? Where and when does this religion that was established by an act of Congress meet?

What's the matter? Cat got your tongue?

Now read (if you're able, the second portion of the First Amendment dealing with religion..."...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" Now, I know some of these words might be a little complicated and hard to understand, but it appears to me that the free exercise of religion (free exercise means any time, any place) can not be prohibited.

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill

When did I say that the government established a religion? Are you on medication? It's time to take more! Even in the quote you pick and choose from what I said. I said it "should" remove them from eligibility, but I included the words "but it doesn't". If you cannot do your job properly because you are overwhelmed with your religion, your family life, your preoccupation with special interest, or your failure to do your job, then the constituents have the right to remove you from the office, do to your obvious lack of integrity.

You have the right to practice your religion any way you see fit, as long as you do not harass me over your beliefs. You want to pray before you eat, I might even bow my head and join you, but if you impose your beliefs on others, then you are crossing the line. IMHO!! I'll exercise the way I see fit and you can too!! Isn't that what it says?

It is obvious that this is too stressful a topic for you so for your own safety, don't hurt yourself, and remember the yellow ones pick you up and the blue ones bring you back down. Try not taking them all at the same time!!

Buck S. N.

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There are only two things wrong with this great nation of ours, democrats and republicans!

Not necessarily in that order.