You know what they say Barney, hindsight is 20/20.
Also, on a later post you stated that Nixon was not impeached. That is absolutely correct, however, if the liberals tell the lie long enough, for them it becomes the truth.

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Those who think they know everything, usually know the least.

They tend to get confused: it was Clinton who got impeached!

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"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

Yeah, I'll get right on that.

Well - first - I was talking about opinions, not morals.

Second, I was suggesting that perhaps in the situation - where the only people believing in the war were U.S conservatives - you were wrong instead of the whole rest world.

Then I would like to say that I don't believe that the difference in opinion had been caused in differences in morals. This - IMO - is not the case.

And now, if the difference in opinion is not caused by morals, it must be caused by 1) differences in reasoning, 2) differences in information or 3) personal bias.

I would like to continue by repeating that there has been strong doubts of bias in the U.S.'s media. Especially after 9/11 there has been a strong Pro-American bias. Also the conservative media is accused of conservative bias and the liberal media is accused of liberal bias.

There has not been such claims of - for example - the Scandinavian media..

This could cause the difference in information.

Also I would like to notice that there has been strong Pro-American emotions and polarization of the political life. These factors could cause a strong personal bias with the American citizens.

On the other hand the Iraq was (at least in the beginning) more or less neutral issue for Europeans. We didn't like Bush, but we did still symphatize the America for the 9/11 and we waited with quriosity what you had to say about Iraq. I would say that our original attitude agains the Iraqian issue was calm and quite free of bias.

And to also consider the case of reasoning: Because I don't think that either Europeans or Americans would be superior or inferior toward each others intellectually, I don't think there was a difference in reasoning.

To conclude - there are serious reasons to believe that Americans had both personal bias and bias in information. This could explain the differences in opinion between the (Conservative) Americans and - well - the rest of the world.

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Now the reason why I brought this up, was because you accused the British cabinet and - well - the whole Europe of bias.. And you accused the cabinet of bias with almost free speculations of no base or reasoning what-so-ever.. It was almost like reflex.. You truly have trust on your allies

lol

I just thought that perhaps you should try to find that bias somewhere else.. With any luck you don't have to search far

In case you had no bias - then I believe that you would consider very carefully, what those Brits had to say. They were likely ones with the best information, best expertice and most honesty at the time. I see no emotional reason for this accused bias and I see neither any reason to lie in that secret document.

They are sovereign nations, but within the context they are quite insignificant and barely worth of mentioning. Plus I don't remember their names

I actually forgot Israel of my list, but they have so much personal interest in the case that their judgement could hardly be considered fair.

Hmm.. Bias raises usually from either emotions or conscious or subconscious lying. I see no reasons for lying (plus it was once a secret document) and I would see the issue emotionally quite calm for the British cabinet.

Plus it seem seriously weird, that you so hastly want to ignore the document with some unbased speculations of bias.

- BtD

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Yeah, right, SS, sure you will. You've already demonstrated just how fanatical is your loyalty to your Fuhrer. Besides, I said "true Americans and supporters of our Constitution", so I wasn't talking to you.

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That's a scary view on politics. When people stop questioning the government they are basically bending over for them. Look at the whole axis of evil propaganda Bush was spewing out. I do have to admit I'm kind of glad he said it though, it always makes me laugh when I need it.

Only because no one cares about Scandinavia media. If Scandinavian sources were being quoted regularly, they would come under scrutiny too. Are you trying to claim that Scandinavia media is absolutely unbiased?

I disagree...that was definitely not my impression. Europeans have consistently been against the war. The only exception I can think of is Poland.

Anti-invasion = bias.

Actually, I didnt. What I said was I suspected them of bias. And because of that suspicion, I cant accept the word of a European when it comes to evidence needed to impeach a US President.

Most of Europe was and is against the war. So my suspicion is reasonable.

I dont trust our allies because I believe they are naive and short sighted.

So much for all that equality crap huh? heh heh

If he was against the war, as was most of Europe, then bias would be expected. On something as important as the impeachment of a President, I think this is relevant. We should not assume he was impartial, when so many other Europeans clearly were not.

He doesnt have to be lying to be interpreting the facts incorrectly.

It doesnt seem weird to me at all that liberals are so eager to grasp at any document that will villify Bush.

Because you get to define what "True Americans" are, heh heh

Am I to take it that you dont consider North Korea, Saddam's Iraq, and Iran to be evil governments?

they are great impeachment insurance!

If you were to impeach both W and Cheney, guess who would be next in line for President? This is so good, it's hard to type! House Speaker Tom Delay!!

So, choose your poison, kooks.

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