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Old 06-15-2005, 12:30 PM
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more than 1,000 years or so as "the man" is an impressive feat. Especially when you consider that war was the rule in ancient times and not the exception. I was not really speaking to whether the rulers were impressive or the treatment of people was impressive.
But you see my reason for making the point? Someone started another thread premised on a fawning 'respect' for a 'favourite' historical Empire. I merely wish to restore the Age of Enlightenment's gift to humanity - an aversion to Empire. We seem, of late, to be cozily slipping into language which is much too tolerant of the excesses of power to be healthy. Thats all.
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Here's a ballot access story from the last election. It states quite clearly that had Nader not qualified himself as a write-in candidate per Georgia law votes for him would not have counted. See? And he was denied access in other states. Hence, you could vote for him, but the votes would not count. Just like I said.

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/talla...al/9782922.htm
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Instead, Hodgson said Nader has qualified in Georgia as a write-in candidate. Qualifying as such, which does not require signatures, means any votes written in for Nader will count.
Emphasis mine.

All the article said was that he would not be appearing on the actual BALLOT. But you can write-in anyone you want, even if they are not on the ballot.

Even assuming you have you have to be on the ballot, the article clearly states no signatures are required...so anyone could run.

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Third-party candidate Ralph Nader - whose status in several states was decided Tuesday - won't be appearing on Georgia ballots in next month's presidential election.
Yes, you can write in anyone you want, and yes, the votes will count. Some states may not accept the votes without a runoff election, but they ARE counted. Nothing in your link even implies that write in votes dont count. Try again.
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with regard to ALL government - they all fail/fall, eventually.
All you know for sure is that all the previous governments have failed...

You are making assumptions about the outcome when a lot of the variables are different. We have a lot of advantages they did not have...not the least of which is knowledge of all the mistakes they made.

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Which of the historical Empires have you in mind with that figure? I cant think of any that survived any way close to that - at least not in any coherent, continuous sense.
Define "continuous" in this context. The US is certainly not the same nation it was 200 years ago...
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NADER HAD TO QUALIFY AS WRITE-IN! Jeez. How can miss things in plain English so easily? It boggles the mind. As clearly stated HAD HE FAILED TO QUALIFY VOTES FOR HIM WOULD NOT COUNT. You cannot be that dense. You have to be playing stupid.
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A write-in candidate in Utah who actually won a majority of the vote was denied office by a law similar to California’s. (The case is that of Don E. Torgerson v. Bart Albrecht, Sandra Rees, and Wayne County Commission, heard in The Sixth Judicial District Court, Wayne County Utah, case # 020600034, hearing date January 17th, 2003. Finding that election officials had been wrong to count Mr. Albrecht’s votes.

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As usual you get a 0% on reading comprehension.
As usual you insert your own opinion as fact:

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NADER HAD TO QUALIFY AS WRITE-IN! Jeez.
It doesnt say anywhere in that article that write-ins dont count. What does it take for him to qualify? It says right there that no signatures are required...so "qualifying" could simply mean he is an American citizen, meets a minimum age, and isnt a felon.

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As clearly stated HAD HE FAILED TO QUALIFY VOTES FOR HIM WOULD NOT COUNT.
Nothing in your article said that.

Do you see now why I have to question everything you say? I cant tell which parts of your posts are actual facts and which parts are facts you made up. You are making assumptions, and expecting me to share your assumptions. I dont. If you are making the claim, it is not unreasonable to expect you to prove it.

Just an FYI though, I did do you the favor of searching google to find proof of your own claim. I couldnt find any.
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Plaintiff’s brief specified that his suit was to overturn the challenged candidate restriction, not just as it applies to write-in candidates, but also as it restricts access to the ballot. The only reason the plaintiff had filed for write-in candidacy rather than to appear on the ballot was because he knew that the requirement of law enforcement background barred his access to the ballot. Only when he tried to file for write-in candidacy did he realize that the restriction applied to write-in candidates as well. Thus both aspects of the restriction were and are actively blocking the plaintiff’s attempts to exercise his First and Fourteenth Amendment political rights.

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so "qualifying" could simply mean he is an American citizen, meets a minimum age, and isnt a felon.
It said the Utah case was similar to the California case...and teh California case was based on a police background check.

So "qualifying" would be a mere formality (for all you know) for the vast majority of citizens. So anyone could run.

Write-in candidates were denied in your examples because they did not meet these basic requirements, NOT because they were write-ins. So your claim that write in votes dont count is false; they DO count. If you qualify as a write-in, the votes are counted even if you dont appear on the ballot.
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You have to qualify. Took you a while, but you got there. See? You cannot vote for whoever you want. They have to qualify first. If they don't the votes don't count. Even if they win. Which, of course, is exactly what I said in the first place! Some states may make it hard. Some may make it easy (Georgia is reasonably easy), but either way they have to qualify, so are not at free to vote "for whoever you like" as you stated (if you want the vote counted anyway). Then, of course, there's the small issue of actually getting on the ballot, which is a much larger issue. It ain't easy in most places. And it ain't easy on purpose. I wonder why............
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with regard to ALL government - they all fail/fall, eventually.
All you know for sure is that all the previous governments have failed...

You are making assumptions about the outcome when a lot of the variables are different. We have a lot of advantages they did not have...not the least of which is knowledge of all the mistakes they made.
True - I am making assumptions based on the entire historic record of a single, specific species - humans. In terms of the self-governance of other species maybe you can guide me as I am a bit shaky on that ground. [/quote]

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Which of the historical Empires have you in mind with that figure? I cant think of any that survived any way close to that - at least not in any coherent, continuous sense.

Define "continuous" in this context. The US is certainly not the same nation it was 200 years ago...
'Continuous' - in the sense which I suggested within the very body of the text of the post which you just quoted from - do you read only 'first lines' and 'last pages' of novels too?
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You will find reading comprehension to be a large issue with SS. Before you can even get to debating any particular topic you need to spend a good deal of time explaining what you said in the last passage as SS somehow rarely understands it. Even if it's not complicated and written in near perfect English. Your question was simple and easy to understand. But as usual SS has to figure it out and/or debate what the meaning of "is" is.
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