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Old 06-13-2005, 12:37 PM
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Default Why are people so adamantly against gun control?

Why are people so against gun control? I personally target shoot, and once in a while hunt, and I'm for control. I don't need to hunt with automatic/semi automatic weapons. It's starting to strike me that people keep their guns just so they can live out a fantasy of repelling an invasion or just so they can shoot a burglar. That's just a guess but it's starting to make me think. Why not just limit it to no automatic weapons? Is that too much, or are people so busy misunderstanding the second amendment to see that? What the second says is that we can basically keep a well-armed militia in case of government problems, that's it. Militia. Meanwhile, people think that this means they can buy anything they want. I went to a gun show in Pittsburgh, and I saw some sick stuff:

British AWM
Soviet Degtyarev
Bundles of AKs
Tons of American M4's
Steyr AUG/ Steyr Scout (extremely advanced Austrian weaponry)
Semi-Automatic military shotguns (SPAS 12, SPAS 15, etc.)
A Browning M2 .50 caliber machine gun (ammo included)
Mp5's
And to top it off, an AT-7 Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher

In 1987, a man named Michael Ryan went on a shooting spree, wearing a flak jacket and wielding a 9mm pistol and AK-47, and managed to kill sixteen and wound fourteen in Hungerford, England. England immediately passed important gun restrictions.

Meanwhile, America has gone through several school shootings, and other shooting sprees (including Brenda Spencer's infamous Christmas 1978 spree), and we still have people in our country who say guns are good to have, and moron politicians who agree with them just so they can get the vote.
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Why are people so against gun control? I personally target shoot, and once in a while hunt, and I'm for control. I don't need to hunt with automatic/semi automatic weapons. It's starting to strike me that people keep their guns just so they can live out a fantasy of repelling an invasion or just so they can shoot a burglar. That's just a guess but it's starting to make me think. Why not just limit it to no automatic weapons? Is that too much, or are people so busy misunderstanding the second amendment to see that? What the second says is that we can basically keep a well-armed militia in case of government problems, that's it. Militia. Meanwhile, people think that this means they can buy anything they want. I went to a gun show in Pittsburgh, and I saw some sick stuff:

British AWM
Soviet Degtyarev
Bundles of AKs
Tons of American M4's
Steyr AUG/ Steyr Scout (extremely advanced Austrian weaponry)
Semi-Automatic military shotguns (SPAS 12, SPAS 15, etc.)
A Browning M2 .50 caliber machine gun (ammo included)
Mp5's
And to top it off, an AT-7 Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher

In 1987, a man named Michael Ryan went on a shooting spree, wearing a flak jacket and wielding a 9mm pistol and AK-47, and managed to kill sixteen and wound fourteen in Hungerford, England. England immediately passed important gun restrictions.

Meanwhile, America has gone through several school shootings, and other shooting sprees (including Brenda Spencer's infamous Christmas 1978 spree), and we still have people in our country who say guns are good to have, and moron politicians who agree with them just so they can get the vote.
We have the right to keep and bear arms. When limitations are started they just don't stop. There are no limitations on free speech other than you can't yell fire in a theatre. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I know that's a dumb statement, I just thought I would throw it in there as a cliche.
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Why are people so against gun control?

.... and we still have people in our country who say guns are good to have, and moron politicians who agree with them just so they can get the vote.
The statistics would seem to favor the "moron politicians".

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States with the largest increases in gun ownership also have the largest drops in violent crimes." Furthermore, in concealed-carry states, "The number of multiple-victim public shootings declined by 84%." Also, "Deaths from these shootings plummeted on average by 90%, injuries by 82%."

The longer a concealed-carry law is in place in a state, the more effective it is. Between '77 and '94, for each year a concealed-carry law was in place, murder rates dropped 3% on average, robberies more than 2% and rapes 2%.

A passive victim is more likely to be seriously injured than one who resists with a gun.

High-crime urban areas have the greatest reductions in violent crime when law-abiding citizens are allowed to carry guns.

Children from 5 to 14 years old are three times as likely to die from bicycle accidents as from gun accidents. They also are 14.5% more likely to die from car accidents and five times as likely to die from drowning or fire.

Neither federal nor state waiting periods to buy guns have any association with reduced crime.

In 10 states that passed concealed-carry laws between '77 and '92, the death rate from public, multiple shootings - such as the '93 Long Island train incident - fell by 69%.
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America is notorious for its culture of gun violence. Guns sometimes do cause terrible harm, and many kids are killed every year in gun accidents. But public service announcements and news stories make it seem as if the accidents kill thousands of kids every year.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, however, fewer than 100 kids 15 and under are killed in gun accidents every year. Of course that's horrible, and I understand why demonstrators say we need more gun control.

But guess what? The Centers for Disease Control recently completed a review of studies of various types of gun control: background checks, waiting periods, bans on certain guns and ammunition. It could not document that these rules have reduced violent crime.

The government wants to say things like the Brady Gun Control Law are making a difference, but they aren't. Some maximum security felons I spoke to in New Jersey scoffed at measures like the Brady law. They said they'll have no trouble getting guns if they want them.

A Justice Department study confirmed what the prisoners said. But get this: the felons say that the thing they fear the most is not the police, not time in prison, but, you, another American who might be armed.

It's a reason many states are passing gun un-control. They're allowing citizens to carry guns with them; it's called concealed carry or right to carry. Some women say they're comforted by these laws.

Many people are horrified at the idea of concealed carry laws, and predict mayhem if all states adopt these laws.

But surprise, 36 states already have concealed carry laws, and not one reported an upsurge in gun crime.
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Why not just limit it to no automatic weapons? Is that too much, or are people so busy misunderstanding the second amendment to see that? What the second says is that we can basically keep a well-armed militia in case of government problems, that's it. Militia. Meanwhile, people think that this means they can buy anything they want. I went to a gun show in Pittsburgh, and I saw some sick stuff:

British AWM
Soviet Degtyarev
Bundles of AKs
Tons of American M4's
Steyr AUG/ Steyr Scout (extremely advanced Austrian weaponry)
Semi-Automatic military shotguns (SPAS 12, SPAS 15, etc.)
A Browning M2 .50 caliber machine gun (ammo included)
Mp5's
And to top it off, an AT-7 Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher
No automatic weapons. No full-autos shall be sold without special federal licensing. There, how's that?

I'm not aware of a single crime being commited with a legally owned version of ANY of the weapons that you have listed above. Discussions such as these, which revolve around exotic firepower, that most people will only see in magazines or at gun shows, thinking this will reduce crime, is akin to claiming that the outlaw of Ferrari Enzos will have some impact on highway death tolls.
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Gun Laws do Not Reduce Criminal Violence According to New Study

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/b...re/3415069.stm

New gun law welcomed

"Air weapons and imitation firearms can be very difficult to tell apart from real guns and in the wrong hands can be used in anti-social behaviour and crime...."Umm... Imitation guns? Anti-social behavior?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2625511.stm

Gunmen fired more than 30 shots

Police hunting the gunmen who killed two teenage girls at a party in Birmingham say more than 30 shots were fired in the attack....

I will never understand why gun banning advocates believe that taking my gun away from me will reduce crime. David Attias used a black Saab to kill 4 people. Should we outlaw black cars? Or Saabs?
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We have the right to keep and bear arms. When limitations are started they just don't stop. There are no limitations on free speech other than you can't yell fire in a theatre. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I know that's a dumb statement, I just thought I would throw it in there as a cliche.
Whether "we have the right to keep and bear arms" or not is a question legal scholars, grammarians, and historians have argued over for a long time. The only sure thing about the second amendment is that what it protects is uncertain and open to legitimate debate.

Many limitations exist on free speech. Can a reporter report on troop movements? Can a person threaten to kill the president? I am not saying those aren't good limitations, but they are limitations.
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We have the right to keep and bear arms. When limitations are started they just don't stop. There are no limitations on free speech other than you can't yell fire in a theatre. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I know that's a dumb statement, I just thought I would throw it in there as a cliche.
Whether "we have the right to keep and bear arms" or not is a question legal scholars, grammarians, and historians have argued over for a long time. The only sure thing about the second amendment is that what it protects is uncertain and open to legitimate debate.

Many limitations exist on free speech. Can a reporter report on troop movements? Can a person threaten to kill the president? I am not saying those aren't good limitations, but they are limitations.
whether or not they want to be imbedded ever again. The fact is you can say anything you want in the name of free speech. Slander is covered by another law.
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Or is it the people who are the problem? Ask the Swiss, they are possibly the most well armed nation in Europe, and possibly the planet. I don't have the stats available, but the number of citizens who own guns is astounding, yet they have very little violence. In fact, the number of violent crimes is considerably less than in many countries with gun control.

I know, it's hard to compare the US and Switzerland, but my point is that we have a violence problem, not a gun problem. Instituting gun control policies will only take away the right to bear arms to people who are responsible. Criminals will find ways to get guns no matter what. I firmly believe that gun control will do little if anything to curb violence in this nation; and it will take away an obvious constitutional right.
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Guns will always exist and criminals will always get their hands on them, no matter what laws are passed. I'd rather have honest people "packing" too.
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Guns will always exist and criminals will always get their hands on them, no matter what laws are passed. I'd rather have honest people "packing" too.
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