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Old 08-17-2009, 06:53 PM
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I've never asked...I know millionaire lawyers and I know millionaire engineers and I've known examples of both who were just average...my experience has been very few people actually choose a career intending to be very wealthy as their first priority...
is that what you tell yourself when you decide to petition the government to force others to sell you their services at your desired price ?
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Go get a barf bag before you see what these insurance executives are doing.


One could easily get the impression that your line of reasoning goes something like this: Insurance executives (many of them, anyway) are arrogant fat cats; ergo, we must neuter them, in a fit of rage; irrespective of the resulting consequences to many other Americans.

If that is not really your position, then it would be much better to argue the facts, rather than to appeal to prople's (understandable) resentments.
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Go get a barf bag before you see what these insurance executives are doing.


It is sickening. How do these people that are against health care reform, if they know that this is happening, sleep at night?
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One could easily get the impression that your line of reasoning goes something like this: Insurance executives (many of them, anyway) are arrogant fat cats; ergo, we must neuter them, in a fit of rage; irrespective of the resulting consequences to many other Americans.

If that is not really your position, then it would be much better to argue the facts, rather than to appeal to prople's (understandable) resentments.
I guess from your statement, one could get the impression that your line of reasoning is that this is America and people can do whatever they want in the free enterprise to make as much money as they can, regardless of who they step on to get it! That people are dying because they cannot afford health care does not even enter the equation.
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is that what you tell yourself when you decide to petition the government to force others to sell you their services at your desired price ?
some Americans worship of profit equals the ridiculous laughable fanaticism of these people and thier little red book


I always thought the american right have strong resemblance to the Ferengi of Star Trek
-Ferengi civilization was built on the ideals of free enterprise, where all other goals are subjugated to the pursuit of profit.
Like most of their culture, their religion is also based on the principles of capitalism: they offer prayers and monetary offerings to a "Blessed Exchequer" in hopes of entering the "Divine Treasury" upon death



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-A Ferengi without profit is no Ferengi at all.
-Never place friendship above profit.
-Treat people in your debt like family, exploit them.
-Employees are the rungs on the ladder of success - don't hesitate to step on them.
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some Americans worship of profit equals the ridiculous laughable fanaticism of these people and thier little red book


I always thought the american right have strong resemblance to the Ferengi of Star Trek
have you been on vacation this year ? Have you eaten out ? Have you typed on your computer ? Have you watched cable or satellite ? Have you consumed alcohol ? Have you gone to sporting events or the theatre ? DO you have a home that is much bigger than the equivalent family sized home in the rest of the world ? Do you have automobiles with luxury options ? Do you own any motorcycles, boats, RV's four wheelers ?

If so, then you have enough money to pay for your own health care.
Or are the Ferengi obligated to subsidize your luxuries too ?
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I guess from your statement, one could get the impression that your line of reasoning is that this is America and people can do whatever they want in the free enterprise to make as much money as they can, regardless of who they step on to get it!
I really find it difficult to believe that you could seriously entertain that thought.

As a right-wing populist, I have no affection for Big Business--to put it mildly. (Or for Big Government either, for that matter. I find both equally repellent.)

As I have stated elsewhere--quite unequivocally--all medical decisions should be made between the patient and the doctor, with no interference from anyone else. And any widely recognized treatment (not experimental treatment, but anything that is commonly accepted in the American medical community) should be covered by one's healthcare insurance, irrespective of what some "gatekeeper" or other functionary for the insurance company may prefer.

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That people are dying because they cannot afford health care does not even enter the equation.
People should not be "dying" simply because they cannot afford healthcare insurance. The Hill-Burton Act (as passed in 1946 and amended in 1975) should obviate that possibility.

Here is a link to a Wikipedia article on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill-Burton_Act
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civilians deaths at work exceed military deaths every year....
Well, since there are exponentially more civilians in this country (or, presumably, in any other country) than there are members of the military, that little factoid is hardly shocking...

But if you seriously believe that an active-duty soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan is less at risk, for death or maiming, than, say, an advertising-agency executive or an insurance salesperson (or even a plumber) is, I admit to my being thoroughly nonplussed.
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Well, since there are exponentially more civilians in this country (or, presumably, in any other country) than there are members of the military, that little factoid is hardly shocking...

But if you seriously believe that an active-duty soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan is less at risk, for death or maiming, than, say, an advertising-agency executive or an insurance salesperson (or even a plumber) is, I admit to my being thoroughly nonplussed.
death rate for loggers is 117 per 100,000, miltary combat death was about 147 per 100,000 in 2003...factor in the years there are no wars/combat deaths and it's more dangerous to be a logger...how many monuments do you have for the people who died so you can have a roof over your head...
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have you been on vacation this year ? Have you eaten out ? Have you typed on your computer ? Have you watched cable or satellite ? Have you consumed alcohol ? Have you gone to sporting events or the theatre ? DO you have a home that is much bigger than the equivalent family sized home in the rest of the world ? Do you have automobiles with luxury options ? Do you own any motorcycles, boats, RV's four wheelers ?

If so, then you have enough money to pay for your own health care.
Or are the Ferengi obligated to subsidize your luxuries too ?
hmm I justed noticed this physical resemblance

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