who makes more and why

SedyAlpha · #1 (**permalink**) 06-22-2005, 05:57 PM

So whats this wage gap stuff again....Oh....Its drive and achievement.The willingness to earn what you are paid.

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Many studies have found that women make about 75 cents for every dollar a man earns. Activists say the pay difference is all about sexism.Martha Burk, chair of the National Council of Women's Organizations, gave me this simple answer: "Because they like to hire men, John. They like to hire people like themselves and they darn sure like to promote people like themselves." In other words, men so love their fellow men that they are willing to pay a premium of, say, $10,000 on what would otherwise be a $30,000-a-year job, just for the sheer pleasure of employing a man. Nonsense. It's market competition that sets wages.

Men do care about money -- and that, not wage discrimination, is why men tend to make more of it. "Women themselves say they're far more likely to care about flexibility," says author Warren Farrell. "Men say, I'm far more likely to care about money."

Farrell spent about 15 years going over U.S. Census statistics and research studies. His research found that the wage gap exists not because of sexism, but because more men are willing to do certain kinds of jobs. "The average full-time working male works more than a full-time working female," Farrell said.Job choices explain the pay difference, Farrell argues in his recent book, "Why Men Earn More: The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap."

They also explain, Farrell said, why more top corporate executives are men.

"We have been suckered into believing that because there are more men at the top than women at the top, that this is a result of discrimination against women. That's been the misconception. It's all about trade-offs. You earn more money, you usually sacrifice something at home," Farrell said.The market is just. It rewards you for the work you do, not for the work you choose not to do. If men want the family time many women have, we must accept lower financial rewards -- and if women want the money, they have to work like money-grubbing men.

It's our choice.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/J...20050622.shtml

Printer2 · #2 (**permalink**) 06-22-2005, 08:45 PM

While I don't think we can completely neglect sexism, I think this is a very good point.

LoSconosciuto · #3 (**permalink**) 06-23-2005, 03:14 AM

...people are most comfortable with those most like themselves. But the studies I've read indicate that values and ethics are part of that equation, as well as gender and/or appearance.

The Martha Burks and Pat Irelands of the world will always claim that any wage gap is a result of sexism and discrimination. Farrell is proving his point with data. But much like the college administrator, who commented on the study as to why women do not excel in certain academic fields, if it's not what people want to hear (if it's not PC), you should avoid discussing it. I suppose to soften the point, the author chose to take a swipe at men who've worked hard to develop their careers = "money grubbing". Well, that's being safe (these days).

At most American corporations, you won't be made a director if you have a reputation for putting your family first. That's as true for men as it is for women. Doesn't mean that it's right... but it's generally true.

catzmeow · #4 (**permalink**) 06-23-2005, 05:54 AM

pay *gaps* since I've almost always made more money than most of my male co-workers and over twice as much as my ex. Earnings have more to do with educational attainment, lifestyle choices, and professional path than they do gender, in my field, and I've worked most of my career in a male-dominated field.

Catz

stekim · #5 (**permalink**) 06-23-2005, 06:59 AM

career choices, too. Women have traditionally gravitated toward lower paying jobs, on average, than men. Hence the pay disparity. I would guess if you compared a man and woman on the same job, with the same level of education and the same level of experience the gap would be non-material. One would make more, likely, but over a large sample you may find sexism has little to do with it.

rikitz · #6 (**permalink**) 06-23-2005, 04:54 PM

i got nothing against women, i think office workers are overpaid, i believe and respect hard labor, which of course men can do more, however this is all crap:

we've become slaves as a society, slaves inwhich we should consider lucky to have a place to do our slave duty. i know im not completely right and missing on some things, but still, all these taxes and people not owning their homes - most people in usa have to pay mortgage (not me) kinda like slaves to the banks.

womens job in a normal country should be to take care of the house and kids. life is too difficult for regular people thats what i think. women shouldnt have to work for mone in the first place..... just my opinion

LoSconosciuto · #7 (**permalink**) 06-23-2005, 06:33 PM

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womens job in a normal country should be to take care of the house and kids. life is too difficult for regular people thats what i think. women shouldnt have to work for mone in the first place..... just my opinion

They'd have to pay the rent somehow. I'd hate to think that I was just getting dates because my house would be a warm place to hang out in the winter time.

catzmeow · #8 (**permalink**) 06-24-2005, 11:46 AM

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womens job in a normal country should be to take care of the house and kids. life is too difficult for regular people thats what i think. women shouldnt have to work for mone in the first place..... just my opinion

so ovaries and a vagina disqualify me from a paycheck at the job of my choice in your book? Good to know.

Glad to see the far left continuing to distance itself from the far right in all sorts of meaningful ways.

Burkas for everyone!!!

Catz

stekim · #9 (**permalink**) 06-24-2005, 12:04 PM

And what's with the whole "life is too difficult for regular people" stuff? And keep in mind the comment was just that you should not have to work for money. If they give you a bushel of corn or some beans it's OK.

catzmeow · #10 (**permalink**) 06-24-2005, 12:27 PM

Oh, nevermind, too vulgar for this forum.

Yeah everyone should have the chance to be barefoot and pregnant with no money of their own! Woot!

I'd be loving that about now.

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