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Old 06-29-2005, 09:29 AM
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Why communists aren't looked favorably upon, I'd say that for one, Communism rarely works. Look at the last 100 years in history.

To me, Communism goes hand in hand with dictatorship. Look at Stalin, Ho Che Ming (sp?) and Castro. All men who ruled with an iron fist and didnt allow opposition of any kind.

Propoganda, oppression, being told how to think, fear of speaking ones own opinion, not that of the party, all come to mind when I think of communism.

Schwarz, my only hope is that you are able to live under the form of Gov't that you admire so much.

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While Communists/Communism do/does have a highly tarnished reputation, it is largely self-created. Voters can choose to support Communist parties in democracies and I think the people have made their decision.
honestly i dont even see a difference between the definition of democracy and communism. both [definitions] are about helping society. correct me if i'm wrong.
the difference is that communism intends to help society but really doesn't, but democracy actually works....
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Why communists aren't looked favorably upon, I'd say that for one, Communism rarely works. Look at the last 100 years in history.

To me, Communism goes hand in hand with dictatorship. Look at Stalin, Ho Che Ming (sp?) and Castro. All men who ruled with an iron fist and didnt allow opposition of any kind.

Propoganda, oppression, being told how to think, fear of speaking ones own opinion, not that of the party, all come to mind when I think of communism.

Schwarz, my only hope is that you are able to live under the form of Gov't that you admire so much.

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Stalin was fascist. Castro and Ho Chi Mihn helped their countries to become better than before. As far as propoganda and being told what to think, look at George Bush constantly ranting "weve made progress" and glorifying the war while demonizing the insurgence. The Patriot Act is proof enough that whatever freedom we had is now dead.
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You may be right, I was thinking Mao Tse Tung, not Ho Chi Minh.

As far as your lame American Comparison, Bush simply says what he believes to be true. Since when was that a form a Communism?

Say for example, I think that you're a hardcore Communist, intent on trying your hardest to converting as many people as possible to Communism.

Uh oh, I said what I believe to be true. I must be Communist! Give me a break. Lame.

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I prefer radical than hardcore but thanks. My whole point is that communists should not be stereyotyped because of Russia's failure. Its that stereotyping thats caused so many to hate us when all we want is the progress and betterment of society. We wish no harm against the people and are trying to break this discrimination so that we may take our place into office and break the two party system.
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My whole point is that communists should not be stereyotyped because of Russia's failure.
They arent; they are stereotyped because their ideology is vague and undefined and doesnt make sense. Self-styled commies never want to answer the minutia of HOW their perfect society will be implemented. Their typical response is "well, we'll figure that out later".

Russia is held as an example of what happens when the "we'll figure it out later" theory is put into practice. THAT is why you people are stereotyped.

Figure out the details of implimentation, and you might get a few supporters. I doubt you will be able to do that without resorting to totalitarianism, and I think most people can see that too.

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Its that stereotyping thats caused so many to hate us when all we want is the progress and betterment of society.
Your motives may be pure, but your methods will lead to ruin and suffering. That is what the Soviet Union taught us.

Just look at Castro right now...thats our future if it was up to you. He probably started out with pure motives, but look where they led. He's a living hypocrite.

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"By the way, whatever happened in the Soviet Union or other socialist countries, the capitalist propaganda against us would have continued to be savage and unrelenting, and any attempt by us to compromise with it would have put us in a worse situation. As a student of history, I can tell all comrades young and old that even during World War II, when support for the Soviet Union was never greater and even Republican politicians were praising the Red Army and conservative newspapers were saying nice things about "Uncle Joe" Stalin, conservatives in Congress were regularly saying that Communists in America were still no good un-American subversive agitators even though the Soviets were our "heroic allies" and Stalin was a pretty good guy!"

The main problem with Communism-Socialism is how easily these systems can be corrupted. All it takes is one capitalist in a Communist society to take full controll of the whole system.

Another thing is I really hope YOU DONT THINK STALIN WAS A GOOD GUY? DO YOU? do you know what was going on in russia from 1945-1955? Another reason why communism wont work. If not look it up. Try and find out what happen to 20,000,000 people.

You cannot let the failures and low lives of your society feed off the system their whole lives. And give them jobs they dont want. Capitalism has been the best so far because it fits human nature. The strong survive and the weak will fall. Yet with the help of Democrats and social programs if you are born into a poor home or town you can still succeed if you work hard enough.

Another thing your are wrong about the parties. I made less than 6,000 dollars last year and I voted for all R's in 2004 not even looking most of the time at who I was voting for. WHY? not because I am a republican or conservative because all the rich ass know it alls in 1st class tried to tell me to vote for Kerry and what the right political policies are. Also after 8 years of Islamofacism and the Clinton's getting away with the destuction of our country I like the change and thought it was time to wrectify our previous failed foreign policy. Im not gonna let a bunch of L. Ron Hubbard ass kissers tell me what to think.

I am in no way saying that capitalism is the greatest thing to strike the face of the planet, or bush for that matter. I think for sure that a better system can be thought up and a better leader is out there. Communism, However is not it. Also John Kerry is a vagina eating (*)(*)(*).
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