3. Taking everything into account, do you think the coalition invasion of Iraq has done more harm than good or more good than harm?
Total Baghdad Shi’ite areas Sunni areas Kurdish areas
More harm 46 59 47 56 2
More good 33 18 28 20 97
The same 16 21 19 16 1

a significant majority of Iraqis think the invasion has done more harm then good. viola.

are you seriously this idiotic to give me references that go completly against you??? hahahaha

at work so...let me finish by totally slamming your entire argument by providing another couple facts from your own poll...again..hahaha


14. Do you think now of Coalition forces mostly as occupiers or mostly as liberators?
Total Baghdad Shi’ite areas Sunni areas Kurdish areas
Occupiers 71% 82 80 80 1
Liberators 19% 4 7 10 97
Both 8% 13 11 7 2

8. Should US/British forces leave immediately (next few months) or stay longer?
Total Baghdad Shi’ite areas Sunni areas Kurdish areas
Immediately 57 75 61 65 3
Stay longer 36 21 30 27 96

soooo um...what are you trying to convince me of? hahahahha.

consider us Liberators. I figured it to be lower.

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I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.

Just what I said. Did I stutter?

Note definition #2.

No, I can see that Bush's detractors often imply the same thing...

And yet, when asked if the war was STILL worth it despite all the other problems, 61% said yes (twice as many as said no). Why do you think that is?

Unlike some people on here, I dont only focus on the facts that support my own argument. Like I said, I am not interested in "winning". My life does not revolve around the opinions people may have of me on anonymous forums.

That you don't need to use more than three punctuation marks in any sentence for one.

Like I said, I am questioning your claims. Try not to take it personally.

you might not have stuttered, but you certainly can't provide a quote, so what's your point?

you're the one that implied it, not me. quote me "implying" it so we can all laugh at your accusations.

where did you even get that???? i don't see it ANYWHERE on that poll of yours.

3. Taking everything into account, do you think the coalition invasion of Iraq has done more harm than good or more good than harm?
Total Baghdad Shi’ite areas Sunni areas Kurdish areas
More harm 46 59 47 56 2
More good 33 18 28 20 97
The same 16 21 19 16 1

4. Is Iraq much better off, somewhat better off, somewhat worse off or much worse off than before the U.S. invasion?
Total Baghdad Shi’ite areas Sunni areas Kurdish areas
Much better off 11 3 7 7 41
Somewhat better off 31 21 34 19 58
About the same 17 19 19 18 1
Somewhat worse off 24 37 26 27 -
Much worse off 15 18 11 28 -

are you going off question 5 still??? even that question doesn't go with what you are asserting.

5. Are you and your family much better off, somewhat better off, somewhat worse off or much worse off than before the US invasion?
Total Baghdad Shi’ite areas Sunni areas Kurdish areas
Much better off 14 4 11 14 33
Somewhat better off 37 31 40 23 59
About the same 25 29 31 24 8
Somewhat worse off 15 23 13 22 -
Much worse off 10 12 5 16 -

only 1% say their family is better off, it is about even. that question isn't even as relevant as the other two above as the ones above take EVERYTHING into account.

im not taking it personally, i just think its funny that you can be so blind when your own poll says otherwise.

If you didnt mean to imply that, just clarify your statement. It sounded like you meant Al-Queada to me.

I already quoted it for you directly a few posts above. Here it is again. Please pay attention.

Not sure how much cleaer you can get than that.

Um...you are creatively interpreting I guess. It is way more than 1%. Here are the numbers (total) as they actually appear in the poll:

So half of them still think things are better now, even with all the hardships they are going through during the transition. A little better than the 1% you were claiming, eh? I am not sure wehre you even got the 1% figure...I didnt see a 1% on that question anywhere.

Please avoid making up your own figures in the future.

Your excessive punctuation leads to me to believe otherwise.

well, if that's how you feel, and such a statement automatically leads you to assume i meant al-queada, then you can understand why all the liberals thought the exact same thing, can't you? as for me myself, i could have cared less either way, i never supported the war from the beginning, even if they were connected to "terrorists," whatever bush meant when he said that, who knows??? that's the point!

Not sure how much cleaer you can get than that.
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well its about clear as mud. sure, they supported ousting saddam. that doesn't mean they supported the us led invasion, or the continual presence of coalition forces in the area. i could support having a cavity removed, but that doesn't mean i support the dentist ripping me off in order to do so! when asked specifically about us forces, the iraqis have made it clear as daylight that they do not wish for us to be there. you obviously have a difficult time interpreting data, good thing you're not a scientist.

let me do the math for you einstein. 14%+37%=51%. that means they have a 1% majority in that particular question. i guess i missed typing 1% MORE, hahaha. big deal. my mistake, i thought i typed that...in any case, the poll is listed, so anyone could have seen for themselves and figured out what i meant with half a brain. in any case, that is not asking if they supported the us invasion either, it is simply asking if their family is better off or not now. it isn't HALF as relevant as the polls i listed, and even if a 1% majority supported the war, does that REALLY say anything has changed???? nope. and even if it will change, you can see for yourself that a HUGE majority see us as occupiers and that we should get out now, which isn't happening.

but I thought we were liberating them! I thought they wanted us there! when you said "you people" that call us occupiers, did you mean the majority of Iraqis? hahahahahhaa.

why do i need to when you give them too me yourself?

the punctuation is there so that you.......stop.....and think. you seem to have a problem with it.

see....since the us led invasion, MY family has become better as well! My mom got a better job, and i live closer to my girlfriend! it had nothing to do with the war, it simply occured after the fact! also, i have not endured too many hardships since saddam was taken out of power, and i support him being taken out of power--i never liked saddam--but i certainly don't believe it was the place of the US to do so or that it was beneficial to the US in the long run, it was simply a ploy to get more oil, which is why we refuse to leave even after they want us gone. do you get it now?

i was just thinking. even though i havent had to endure any hardships YET, the debt is still phenomenally high, so i can not say that i did support the thing with saddam as I will have to pay for it in the future, which is a major problem i have had with this war. i didnt have to go fight over there, and i haven't paid any more taxes yet, but i will, and my social security will eventually get cut along with other domestic programs cuz of this in more backdoor bills. so that might help you figure out why most iraqis don't care from a microcosm level or from a personal point of view. most iraqis haven't had to suffer PERSONALLY as so many of their countrymen are dying. they can't relate personally, and it is not a personal harship, but GENERALLY speaking, or macrocosmically, they OBVIOUSLY see iraq as being worse off.

do you FINALLY GET IT????????

probably not.

To you maybe. Run a poll on here and see if anyone else interprets it the way you do.

Actually, yes, it does. We know this because the words "Thinking about any hardships you might have suffered since the US/British invasion" is right there in the question. "Any" would seem to include the invasion, dont you think? Do you think an invasion counts as a hardship?

You misquoted yourself and you are implying that I am stupid? heh heh

Yeah. How stupid of me not to have read your mind to see what the hell you were talking about.

Only 25% Said the inavsion made things worse...they thought the invasion made things better by a 2 to 1 ratio. A bit more than the 1% difference you imply.

You mean there was a point to all that?

I agree. We already know that 61% supported the invasion, even in hindsight.

I provided sources for my figures. Free of "mistakes" even.

Is it???!!!?!111!!