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Not really, unless you want to be less dismissive of probable cause.
The point is you feel that it is unconstitutional to pursue illegal aliens, and the fact still remains I, a legal citizen, can be pulled over , ID'd and searched with no warrant, constitutionally in almost every case!
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The point is you feel that it is unconstitutional to pursue illegal aliens, and the fact still remains I, a legal citizen, can be pulled over , ID'd and searched with no warrant, constitutionally in almost every case!

I never said anything close to that. Please do not attribute false claims to me.
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I know that Health Care Reform and Cap & Trade are on the front burners now, but there is another issue that is on the back burner that will migrate to the front burner by year's end or next year. That issue is Immigration Reform. Unfortunately, for American citizens and legal residents, this reform will be just another attempt at screwing the American people.

The big issue that will draw much, warranted criticism from the American people, is Amnesty. That's right folks. Our beloved President and his Administration are going to push for making the 12 million plus illegal aliens in our country, legal citizens by the stroke of the pen. They will not be required to go thru the ropes like countless immigrants have in the past, but they will be given a free ride. I will say that amnesty was supported by Bush and McCain also, so don't call me a racist or Obama hater. They obviously all want the Hispanic vote at the expense of the American people, or they are just too lazy to do what is right, and enforce the laws of the land.

Not only does the Obama Administration support amnesty, but they have been pulling other shenanigans that help out illegal aliens. Our current Congress refuses to permanently implement E-Verify, which is a verification program that verifies one's eligibility to work in the U.S. The Department of Homeland Security (DOHS) has intentions of rescinding the No-Match rule that requires employers who are notified by the Social Security Administration that workers' SSN do not match data in the SSA's database to take action to correct those discrepancies in order to ensure that their workforce is legal. The DOHS, under Janet Napolotano, has also issued a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) that essentially limits local law enforcement agencies in their abilities to identify and detain illegal aliens. The 2010 Census will include illegal aliens. Health Care Reform will include illegal aliens. Also, our government refuses to make English our national language.

Folks, our economy sucks, unemployment is high, more and more Americans are losing their jobs, and our President and his Administration are more concerned with those that do NOT belong here. This is Anti-American behavior by our government. Contact your elected officials, and let them know that amnesty for illegal aliens is unacceptable, and that our government needs to enforce our immigration laws.

Let's recap:
  • Amnesty for illegal aliens.
  • No permanent E-Verify program.
  • Restricting law enforcement in enforcing immigration laws.
  • Not allowing employers to verify SSN.
  • Including illegal aliens in the 2010 Census.
  • Covering illegal aliens in HCR.
  • Refusal to make English our official national language.

For more information on immigration reform, please visit the following links:

FAIR: http://www.fairus.org

NumbersUSA: http://www.numbersusa.com

ProEnglish: http://www.proenglish.org/
Nothing new here. I have known Obama hates America the first time I saw his leftist loser ass.
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I never said anything close to that. Please do not attribute false claims to me.
Let's see, can't be done without trampling on others constitutional rights.

Didn't you say that back a few pages ago?

They are illegally in the country and as of such it is the duty of our government according to the laws on the books to gather them one at a time or in small groups if necessary and see to it they are treated properly and then of course they should be released into their own natural environment from which they came. If they wish there are ways for them to legally enter the country the way Canadian actors, news broadcasters, and doctors from every country in the world do it. Once it's all legal then by all means welcome to the neighborhood.

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The point is you feel that it is unconstitutional to pursue illegal aliens, and the fact still remains I, a legal citizen, can be pulled over , ID'd and searched with no warrant, constitutionally in almost every case!
Pretty sure they ask you if they can search your car. If you say no, then they can get a search warrant if they think there's probable cause to do so.
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No thank you. It was not my completely made up nonsensical statement to support.
Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...aids-american/

Napolitano: Illegal Immigration NOT a Crime:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/04/20/...n-not-a-crime/

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I believe my first post in this thread said I was all for deporting all illegals, as soon as someone can find a way to do it that is not cost prohibitive nor tramples on anyone's rights.
It will cost money either way.

Lawbreakers that do not belong here have no rights here.
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White House Holds Private Meeting with More than 100 Special Interest Amnesty Advocates:

Just nine days after publicly reiterating his promise to grant amnesty to the more than 12 million illegal aliens living in the United States (See FAIR's Legislative Update, August 17, 2009), President Obama — along with Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano — held a closed-door meeting with more than 100 amnesty advocates at the White House. According to statements from some of the attendees, Obama used the meeting to indicate that he would "push for [amnesty] even as the health-care debate continues to unfold." (Politico, August 20, 2009).

See the full article at: http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?pag...iv_ctrl=1721#3
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Pelosi Tells Illegal Immigrants That Work Site Raids are Un-American:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...aids-american/

Napolitano: Illegal Immigration NOT a Crime:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/04/20/...n-not-a-crime/



It will cost money either way.

Lawbreakers that do not belong here have no rights here.

Actually, according to the Constitution everyone here has rights.

I don't understand your two links. They do no seem to support your assertions.
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Do you realize the tax windfall created by amnesty? Simply legalize all of them, including their income. Create harsher penalties for not becoming legal after that, which includes jail time, fines AND deportation. Make it hurt not to become an upstanding citizen. With the additional tax revenues of 4-5 million dollars, we could have a balanced budget almost immediately. Get it done, right away.

And again, if you want an honest discussion, can you not create a thread meant to bash the administration so ignorantly? Create a discussion thread, and people will respect you more.
That's not accurate! The mean income of these individuals would fall below the taxable rate! They would not pay that much into the system and would get a majority of it back! A balanced budget happens over the course of several years of not over spending and like any business taking in more then goes out. While I understand that spending is necessary in these times I am upset that Bills are still being jam packed with nonsense that none of us would approve of.

I hate titles like this one. Just think the president of the United states is sitting there saying to himself. "Let me see how I can hurt Americans and Help illegal aliens".
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Pretty sure they ask you if they can search your car. If you say no, then they can get a search warrant if they think there's probable cause to do so.
Sorry but that isn't exactly the truth. Probable cause overrides the need for a warrant and the USSC agrees. Law enforcement can search any vehicle for probable cause, which can be anything from noticing red eyes on the driver, to they seemed too nervous.
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