i think we all get that feeling sometimes that some people on the other side of the issue aren't really bad, just missinformed, others are total idiots.....

OK. call me anti american. but a good human being, honest, fair, working, not selfish, believing in spirit of god. what would it take to get me on your side in the war on terror: all those of you "not giving a rats but", please get out of my thread, thank you.

here's what it would take:

1. in USA eliminate all corporate media or at least completely ban it from any political manipulation/promotion of candidates. so that the ordinary people would have a chance to win elections. that is #1, remember.

2. wait till all new senators/congressmen are elected without the influence of you know who. (call it whatever you want, doesnt matter, but obviously i mean those with lots and lots of money). wait for ordinary people to get elected.

3. celebrate a little

4. announce to the world and starting from the biggest country such as china or russia: our system is completely fair, money plays no role in politics, no person on this earth deserves to live as a slave and we being with the god are making an ultimatum upon you: either you will have democratic elections or we will nuke you and we do not care if we get nuked back, because we are right and if you are right, then all people of your country have to do is vote you back in and we can all continue living on this earth. however if you get voted out, by accepting our terms you are forgiven for any previous actions and shall be rewarded asylum from hatered of your people. there will be no media to influence elections and vote counting will be done by people randomly selected by a lotery drawn in a public place.

5. see what happens. but i will be 100% for it.

only question is if we are really brave enough an not selfish as we claim:

it speaks louder then words

Are you serious?

i felt im living in a world full of hipocrites, but i had no idea to what extent. i hope maybe its just on this message board they rather talk about "why they hate us" then about how to make peace...

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You are advocating genocide in response to opression. That's like solving the problem of parental child abuse with giving the kid to a pedophile.

yea, i guess just let clintons and hilarys and democratic socialists do the ruling and it will be all fair, right? like under clinton?

i dont know if i should just be happy that someone responded or should i point out that your avatar shows clear deception: shaking a hand which is really a pistol. are u a democratic socialist or againt them? i'm actually now guessing ur against, so never mind what i said i guess.

anyway, im surprised people are so low on ideas to such topic as this. i thought we are trying to solve problems

Rikitz, nobody is responding to the thread because your initial post is full of crackpot ideas.

1. Ban corporate media. How? Nationalize it? Who will own the newspapers and TV stations? Is that fair? Is that an improvement? Does keeping them from "promoting" candidates mean they can't cover them as news? If so, how will we find out anything about candidates? If not, then where do you draw the line?

2. Elect ordinary people. Okay.

3. Force other countries to become democracies or risk nuclear annihiliation? Huh? Becoming a *functioning* democracy requires far more than just holding an election. Are we going to police the internal process of every country on earth?

You want to make friends, but I guarantee that step #3 will just increase the number of our enemies by an order of magnitude.

The way you make friends and win over honorable enemies is by setting an example. Respecting the rule of law, living by the same rules we expect others to live by, playing fair, talking straight. Listening to the grievances and positions of others and accomodating them where possible when it does not conflict with our principles. Helping other countries develop the institutional tools to live up to our expectations. Within the rules we have set up, rewarding good behavior and punishing bad behavior.

It's long hard work. It's not one simple solution. But it's also not rocket science.

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Man up.

they could respond to point them out or suggest better ones.ban corporate non democratic media from promoting candidates in any way. let the same people (im refraining from using the word zionists) own their stations, but prohibit them from promoting politics like they are prohibited from showing porn. this is not right. the rich will always win. we have now for the senators the club of millionaires, i do not like this neither do too many people to ignore. insurgents and terrorists also this is exactly the part they hate so dont ignore this maybe i dont have an answer here yet, but it's definetely a start and a step in the right direction if people really care, so instead of ignoring you can help find solution

correct. can not be covered as news on non democratic media, because what they will cover will be pure propaganda of their choosing. they will cover those they want elected. their own people. they will find dirt to cover on those who are not their people and have a chance to win. they will cover cleanly those who are not their people and have no chance to win to level out and divide people so they have no clear choice.

on democratic media where top management is elected by society and has no special interest donors of any kind you drw the "line" thru the neck of any worker in democratic media who tries to accept bribe for propaganda (sorry, just slipped out) - but put them in jails.

thank you!! PLEASE!!! then i will respect this country, will be proud to call it my country, will go fight voluntarily, will not argue with any neo cons here etc.

correct. starting with the most powerful. because if we don't, then by being truly democratic, we may fall a victim to some dictatorial nation later on. get fair and get over it once and for all so no more wars are necessary all for profit of those who create it.

i do believe elections is the first step. and what else? explain, i don't know.

yes, i would support it also if we would function under democratic media. we are doing it now. do you know how easily Hitler started policing so many countries? ever wonder why? i have yet to hear him personally say anything racial or proof that he was a racist. (but thats a different subject)

i wish all people could vote on this to see just who is right.

thank you

well said.

First, you're suggesting that democracy is the only correct way and I have to disagree with you. You and I may accept it because we've lived this way of life, but there are other cultures, religions, customs that affect these countries.

And then to shove our way of life down the throats of others is just wrong. What next? Murdering everyone that is for women's right if they don't agree with your way of life? You going to mass genocide homosexuals in America because they don't fit your criteria for how life should be? You're playing dangerously; you're suggesting a "get in line or die" sort of attitude. It may start with installing democracy in other countries, but you'll open up a whole other monster. People will use your logic and terminate anyone for not feeling the same way they do about issues.

Please don't hurt me for disagreeing with you.