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Old 08-02-2005, 11:53 AM
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They date from the war months - you remember, the invasion of Iraq in 2003? Mission accomplished, and all that? Seem to be sourced from Fisk's website. I don't think anyone seriously disputes that that is precisely what that 'accomplished mission' looked like? I recall seeing a few of these images at that time.
If there's no serious dispute, shouldn't it be relatively easy for the webmaster to provide some facts about the photos? I checked the sources on Fisk's site (including Al-jazeera), and found almost no information from these as well.

Understand: I am not saying that Coalition forces in Iraq have caused no civilian casualties - this is war, and it is an ugly truth that civilians die. However, to post a bunch of gruesome photos and make an unverified claim that they depict "victims of Anglo-American aggression" is misleading and irresponsible.
Only misleading if untrue; not to get argumentative, but, it's only misleading if found to be untrue.

To many the invasion of Iraq was an act of aggression on the part of British and American troops, hence 'victims of Anglo-American aggression' (if they, in fact, directly caused these injuries).

From memory, I do recall some of these images from the invasion period. But that is no help to you in verification.

Whats the knee jerk al-Jazeera hostility about? They report on world events from an Arab perspective, just as western media report from their own little bubble of perception.
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Old 08-02-2005, 12:03 PM
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You can read what you want into it. I don't believe the pictures are "doctored" do you?
I never said they were. You demonstrate an uncanny ability to miss the point.

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War isn't nice whether the terrorist did this or whether we did. I happen to think that it's good to see real pictures.
Yes. War bad. Real pictures good. We've established that.

The point is that showing real pictures of casualties under the heading "victims of Anglo-American aggression" and not distinguishing "whether the terrorists did this or we did", is misleading and irresponsible.
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Old 08-02-2005, 12:21 PM
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You can read what you want into it. I don't believe the pictures are "doctored" do you?
I never said they were. You demonstrate an uncanny ability to miss the point.

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War isn't nice whether the terrorist did this or whether we did. I happen to think that it's good to see real pictures.
Yes. War bad. Real pictures good. We've established that.

The point is that showing real pictures of casualties under the heading "victims of Anglo-American aggression" and not distinguishing "whether the terrorists did this or we did", is misleading and irresponsible.
I would of pulled photographs off of Fox news to make the point about the casualties of war, but they didn't have any. None archived, I looked....maybe fox journalist couldn't make it out of the green zone.
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Old 08-02-2005, 12:42 PM
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To many the invasion of Iraq was an act of aggression on the part of British and American troops, hence 'victims of Anglo-American aggression'.
So essentially, someone with this point of view would believe that Coalition forces are responsible for any civilians the insurgents target? Pretty shaky reasoning, don't you think?

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Whats the knee jerk al-Jazeera hostility about? They report on world events from an Arab perspective, just as western media report from their own little bubble of perception.
Not hostility. Distrust. Given their obvious bias, I simply wouldn't take anything they say on faith. Not "knee-jerk" either. Al-Jazeera has a distinguished track record of reporting from "their own little bubble of perception."
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To many the invasion of Iraq was an act of aggression on the part of British and American troops, hence 'victims of Anglo-American aggression'.
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Whats the knee jerk al-Jazeera hostility about? They report on world events from an Arab perspective, just as western media report from their own little bubble of perception.
Not hostility. Distrust. Given their obvious bias, I simply wouldn't take anything they say on faith. Not "knee-jerk" either. Al-Jazeera has a distinguished track record of reporting from "their own little bubble of perception."
Let us, at least, have an honest discussion (I have a higher opinion of you than this, above, would warrant).

You know my earlier quote was qualified by the following (which you choose to selectively omit); 'if they, in fact, directly caused these injuries'.

I agree - trust as credible none in their own little bubble.
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You know my earlier quote was qualified by the following (which you choose to selectively omit); 'if they, in fact, directly caused these injuries'.
Sorry, this was an oversight. I neglected to put an ellipses after the quote to indicate more was said - I didn't see a need to include the complete quote (at the time, I thought I had the gist of it) since you were discussing what "many" believe, rather than your own thoughts on the matter.

Again, my apologies if I misrepresented your meaning. It was not my intention.
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I don't care whether you agree with me or not, but I'm not going to get into name calling. If you prefer not to respond to me that's fine too.
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