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Old 08-04-2005, 07:20 AM
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He has a right to spend his money any way he wishes. But as he notes in relation to celebrities, others have a right to react to his choice. Goose, gander.

I guess I question the wisdom of spending $100,000 to confirm the stereotype of Republicans (rich, white, conservative), and essentially claiming to be victimized when Republicans control the White House, Congress and many (most?) state governments.

Especially when his ad, though it starts out well, devolves into partisan mudslinging and the sort of generalized attacks that he claims to deplore.
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and were they reacting to his message, and not the fact that they resent (apparently) how he's spent his money, I'd have less to quibble with.

I didn't find his comments that partisan, though.
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Old 08-04-2005, 07:31 AM
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and were they reacting to his message, and not the fact that they resent (apparently) how he's spent his money, I'd have less to quibble with.
Well money is speech, according to the Supreme Court.

Anyway, it's human nature to comment on how other people spend their money. Dennis Kosloski was vilified for wasting money on $5,000 shower curtains, as much as he was for committing massive fraud. Bill Gates was criticized for building a $40 million house. CEOs are criticized for taking home $100 million pay packages while laying off thousands of workers.

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WHAT I AM . . . is tired of hearing from leading Democrats who see only negativity in America; racism in her people; class warfare in her society and "political incorrectness" in her character.

WHAT I AM . . . is proud of a President who understands, as "politically incorrect" as it may be, there is evil in this world and for the security and safety of all freedom loving people everywhere, it must be confronted . . . and it must be defeated.

WHAT I AM . . . is a man who believes in the sanctity of life. A man who is repulsed by the pandering of the political left for votes, at the expense of the unborn.

WHAT I AM . . . is eternally grateful to Ronald Reagan for having the bravery to speak out against Communism and the courage of his convictions in leading the fight to defeat it; and George W. Bush for the vision, courage, conviction and leadership he has shown in America's war on terrorism amidst both the constant and vicious, personal and political attacks both he and his family are made to endure.

WHAT I AM . . . is someone deeply troubled by a political party which embraces a candidate whose primary "leadership" qualities center around his protesting of the Vietnam war and his labeling the honorable men and women who fought in it, (50,000 of whom gave their lives in that action), as rapists, and war criminals. That same political party then stepped forward this year to block the appearance of a true Vietnam war hero, retired Admiral and former United States Senator, Jeremiah Denton....

I also like how he says he's a "former Democrat", then notes he's been married for 52 years and a Republican for six decades. So he was a Democrat for what, 10 minutes right after he turned 18?
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Dennis Kosloski was vilified for wasting money on $5,000 shower curtains,
Not by me. I don't care how much someone spends on shower curtains as long as the money they are spending isn't stolen from someone else (as his was).

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Bill Gates was criticized for building a $40 million house.
Not by me. I figure that quite a few contractors and small businessmen/women, not to mention their employees, benefitted from that expenditure.

Well done them. Then, those people likely turned around and either spent or saved the money they made, also benefitting the economy in general and other people.

Who in turn spent the money they received, and benefitted other people.

Ah, capitalism. It's a beautiful thing.

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I don't care how much a CEO makes as long as he/she pays her employees fairly and treats them well. It's making lucrative money while laying off the people who are the bread and butter of your business that is an act worthy of criticism.

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similar issues in his own party?

cuz i've made those same comments myself, AS A DEMOCRAT.

I'm tired of the same things. I don't hate the democratic party, far from it, I resent that it has strayed so far from it's roots.

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money that they've worked their ass off to work? Why do people from the left always feel entitled to make moral judgments about how other people should spend their own (*)(*)(*)(*) money?

it's ironic, really. Is it out of some sort of misplaced wish to have other people's money to spend as YOU wish, not how THEY wish?

Because peps with money to burn should spend it on autoracing. Like Paul Newman.. now that guy knows how to blow his wad Speed cost money. How fast do you want to go?

"How do you make a small fortune in racing?
Start with a big fortune." --Junior Johnson (former NASCAR driver and team owner).

And another favorite of mine: "What are the two happiest days in a man's life? The day he buys a race car and the day he sells it."
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Not by me. I figure that quite a few contractors and small businessmen/women, not to mention their employees, benefitted from that expenditure.
Well then I suppose you applauded Saddam building all those palaces during the sanction years.....

Buying eye-popping luxuries while we have pressing social problems is every individual's right, but I don't think it's out of line if people want to question their priorities.
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Well then I suppose you applauded Saddam building all those palaces during the sanction years.....
When I quite clearly stated that I don't care how much someone makes WITH THE CAVEAT that they treat the people who work for them fairly and pay them fairly.

Do you think that Saddam met that caveat?
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Do you think that Saddam met that caveat?
Surprisingly, yeah. I think he had enough money he didn't need slave labor to build them.

Here's an interview with an Iraqi engineer who worked on the palaces:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340771/

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The total construction cost, as estimated by United States intelligence: $2 billion.

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"Me, as an engineer, we learned in school we have to balance between quality and budget. That was not the case here.” If Saddam didn’t like the choice of materials, “things could be trashed away and replaced with something else and it’s not a big problem. So it was something that [was] a very unique experience for an engineer,” said Qunbar.
That's not to say he was a pleasant guy to work for:
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Security on the construction sites demonstrates how vigilant Saddam’s guards are, says Qanbar.

“I’ll describe this to you by one incident,” he said. “We were pouring concrete for the swimming pool. We do it after 10 p.m. in Iraq because, especially in the summer, you cannot pour concrete in hot weather and one of the workers opened his cigarette pack and he pulled off this cellophane, metal paper and he threw it in the concrete while they were pouring.

All of a sudden I see half a dozen of Saddam’s special security organization, his bodyguards jumped in the concrete, picked this guy up, beat the hell out of him, dig the concrete with their hands to pick this piece of paper that he dropped because they were afraid he dropped something harmful!

“This guy has to be taken out, and he disappeared.”

Hussam Khadori, one of Saddam’s architects, recently was killed, not long after he talked to French documentary makers about his designs for the palaces.
But let's say he didn't abuse his workers and paid them fairly. You would have been fine with the palace construction, then?
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Because that money didn't belong to him. It belonged to the people of Iraq.

That is somewhat different than the guy who owns or runs a private company.
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