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Old 08-17-2005, 03:34 AM
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why is how he spends the money he has earned through hard work YOUR BUSINESS?
Because there are people working just as hard who have alot less money. To put it simply money is power and no-one deserves or should ever have power IMO.

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Why not focus on earning your OWN PAYCHECK and diverting YOUR OWN MONEY to your financial priorities?
Not being old enough to work would be the biggest obstacle. I don't want a huge paycheck because i'd probably end up buying pointless overpriced furniture than than doing anything useful with it.

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that so many are bent out of shape about this Republican spending this money on basically a statement of belief and support of our country, while no one has said a thing yet about Liberals in Mansions (you set the place in your mind, but fruits and nuts comes to my mind) blowing it our their wazoos over the latest "in" social issue. Can you say hypocrisy?
If this thread had started with 'liberal spends $100000 on extension for mansion' then i'd be b*ching about that. I don't think people should large amounts of money whether liberal or conservative.
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Old 08-17-2005, 05:37 AM
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Because there are people working just as hard who have alot less money. To put it simply money is power and no-one deserves or should ever have power IMO.
So in your mind, individuals are not entitled to the fruits of their own labors? You are entitled to them because you have less?

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Not being old enough to work would be the biggest obstacle. I don't want a huge paycheck because i'd probably end up buying pointless overpriced furniture than than doing anything useful with it.
well, this explains alot. You may feel very differently about someone telling you how to spend your paycheck when you're actually working your ass off to earn one.

Until then, I don't really think you understand what you are talking about since you seem to subsist mainly off of the efforts of others and feel entitled to do so. So, of course you feel entitled to dictate how complete strangers should also spend their money.
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So in your mind, individuals are not entitled to the fruits of their own labors? You are entitled to them because you have less?
People are entitled to the fruits of there own labour yes, i just don't see why some deserve more than others when they worked no harder.

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well, this explains alot. You may feel very differently about someone telling you how to spend your paycheck when you're actually working your ass off to earn one.
I'm not telling him how to spend his paycheck, i'm saying he shouldn't have one that huge. TBH catz if getting a huge paycheck makes me think like you, then i'd rather live in poverty.

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Until then, I don't really think you understand what you are talking about since you seem to subsist mainly off of the efforts of others and feel entitled to do so. So, of course you feel entitled to dictate how complete strangers should also spend their money.
Why would i feel entitled to dictate how others spend catz? You haven't even attempted to bridge those two sentences. And i don't feel entitled to live of others. As soon as i can i'll get a job and i'll pay my way, unfortunately i can't at the moment.

Don't tell me i don't understand what i'm talking about when you've just made two embarrassingly wrong statements in the race relations thread. I'm not going to tell you that you can't understand race relations until you know when the pogroms occurred.
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People are entitled to the fruits of there own labour yes, i just don't see why some deserve more than others when they worked no harder.
Because sometimes working smarter pays off more than working harder, as you will (hopefully) see at some point.

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I'm not telling him how to spend his paycheck, i'm saying he shouldn't have one that huge.
Why? Is it your claim that he earned it illegally?

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TBH catz if getting a huge paycheck makes me think like you, then i'd rather live in poverty.
I don't get a huge paycheck, although in comparison to what you are presently earning, it might seem that way. However, the pay I earn has been earned by years of hard work and experience. I am worth more than you in the work market because I know more and have better skills. Ditto this man who spent this money.

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Why would i feel entitled to dictate how others spend catz? You haven't even attempted to bridge those two sentences.
You've clearly expressed that you DO FEEL entitled to tell someone how to spend his money in the posts above.

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don't feel entitled to live of others. As soon as i can i'll get a job and i'll pay my way, unfortunately i can't at the moment.
And yet you are sponging off of others at present. how morally convenient of you.

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Don't tell me i don't understand what i'm talking about when you've just made two embarrassingly wrong statements in the race relations thread.
My misstatement in no way invalidates the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.
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People are entitled to the fruits of there own labour yes, i just don't see why some deserve more than others when they worked no harder.
For future reference, pay in a capitalist country is not based "how hard you work". It has no real bearing on it, actually. Pay is based on supply and demand (with a tad bit of government intervention at the low end). It's good for you to know that because armed with such powerful knowledge you can actually benefit.
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For future reference, pay in a capitalist country is not based "how hard you work". It has no real bearing on it, actually. Pay is based on supply and demand (with a tad bit of government intervention at the low end). It's good for you to know that because armed with such powerful knowledge you can actually benefit.
I know and i said i didn't think it was fair. For future reference read before you reply or at least don't be so arrogant about your reply.

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Because sometimes working smarter pays off more than working harder, as you will (hopefully) see at some point.
And you see that as fine? That you can work just as hard as someone and be worse off?

Thing about capitalism is that if everyone works equally hard and everyone works just as smart then still not everyone could be a millionaire. Doesn't that strike you as a injustice?

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I don't get a huge paycheck, although in comparison to what you are presently earning, it might seem that way. However, the pay I earn has been earned by years of hard work and experience. I am worth more than you in the work market because I know more and have better skills. Ditto this man who spent this money.
You know more? I'd wager i've got a better knowledge of allot of things than you.

You act like everyone who's rich has worked to the bone. So what about those who just inherit a huge net worth? How exactly did they earn it?

BTW beautiful wit in the first sentence there.

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You've clearly expressed that you DO FEEL entitled to tell someone how to spend his money in the posts above.
I've said repeatedly that i don't think he should have that money in the first place.

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And yet you are sponging off of others at present. how morally convenient of you.
What do you want me to do? Didn't you 'sponge' at one point?

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My misstatement in no way invalidates the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.
I'm just saying that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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And you see that as fine? That you can work just as hard as someone and be worse off?
Yep. Choices have consequences. I freely chose my line of work and level of educational attainment. No one forced me to work in the field I do. If I were an accountant or an attorney, I'd make more money but I have no interest in doing those jobs. That's how life works sometimes. I choose to work for less money in a field I enjoy.

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Thing about capitalism is that if everyone works equally hard and everyone works just as smart then still not everyone could be a millionaire. Doesn't that strike you as a injustice?
Nope.

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You know more? I'd wager i've got a better knowledge of allot of things than you.
Unfortunately, it's doubtful that your knowledge is in an area that you will be well-paid for. So, my point still stands. Some knowledge is more valuable than others. I bet stekim makes twice as much money as I do. His knowledge is more valuable than my own. But I'd rather have hot tar dripped down the crack of my ass than go back to school and get a degree in his field. So it seems to work for both of us.

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You act like everyone who's rich has worked to the bone. So what about those who just inherit a huge net worth? How exactly did they earn it?
Luck.

Again, life isn't fair. You learn that as you get older.


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I've said repeatedly that i don't think he should have that money in the first place.
God it chaps your drawers that he does, too, doesn't it? I think that is the underlying foundation of leftist thoughts on money. Someone else has it, they feel entitled to it.

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What do you want me to do? Didn't you 'sponge' at one point?
Of course I did. But I was under no illusions that I had any control over anyone else's money or any moral authority to dictate how they should spend it given that I was living off the charity of others...as you presently are.

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I'm just saying that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Ok, you first. Although that sentence should be altered to: People who live in their parents' glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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I know and i said i didn't think it was fair. For future reference read before you reply or at least don't be so arrogant about your reply.
If you know that, then maybe you also realize there is a 0% chance that we will move toward a "how hard you work" system. So there is little need to whine about it. It's wasted effort. Move on. (hands him a tissue).

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And you see that as fine? That you can work just as hard as someone and be worse off?
See? There you go again! How do propose managing such a system? And how many people will keep track of "how hard you work?". Seems the current system is far better. If you are working hard and not making money I think you need to reevaluate some things, no? You are free to switch jobs. Maybe you never got the memo.

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Thing about capitalism is that if everyone works equally hard and everyone works just as smart then still not everyone could be a millionaire. Doesn't that strike you as a injustice?
Nope. Not in the least. Some jobs are not worth much. Simple as that.

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You act like everyone who's rich has worked to the bone. So what about those who just inherit a huge net worth? How exactly did they earn it?
Someone earned it. That's enough for me.

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I've said repeatedly that i don't think he should have that money in the first place.
Somehow I think once the paycheck is in YOUR pocket you will not be so quick to say you don't deserve it! But feel free to give it back. You know, so you don't feel bad and stuff.
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"WHAT I AM . . . is a former democrat who now understands that it is the soldier and not the reporter that guarantees us our freedoms of press, speech and dissent. "

I think that IS the definition of what kind of Republican he is. I think it was a Freudian slip to spell Democrat with a lower case D.

The neocons in power now DO NOT believe in democracy.
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No, they believe in Democracy. God bless 'em.
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