Is that, per chance, because you are one of them? 99% of the socialists are those who have never held an honest job in their lives.

No, capitalism is each individual determining their own destiny. The ill known as socialism is the government determining it.

I don't think there's enough hate. Socialism should be reviled and reacted to the same way when someone brings up the name KKK. You can hate something and have a rational discussion about it. I can tell you why it's important to allow the KKK to exist, yet I hate them.

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All you need to know about the energy crisis:
ANWR Exploration Republicans: 91% Supported. Democrats: 86% Opposed.
Coal-to-liquid R's: 90% YES. D's: 78% NO.
Oil Shale Exploration R's: 90% YES. D's: 86% NO.
Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
Increased Refinery Capacity R's: 97% YES. D's: 96% NO

SUMMARY: 91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of America’s own oil and gas. 86% of House Democrats have historically voted against.

I find the interaction between KOD and Daybreaker interesting. I agree with KOD that the liberal tendencies of the nation’s populous slowly implements a more liberal or socialist system. In my opinion this is neither fair nor good. If you look into the past you will find that socialism is a precursor to national insolvency.

I am also interested in what is meant by strong leadership. It is well known that the U.S. is a republic and it elects a president and congresspersons every few years. Is there such thing as “strong leadership” when the powers in Washington D.C. change every few years. It seems that the socialist system described by KOD may undermine the will of the people by creating a pseudo-communist government under the guise of socialism. I really thought your wording of “the war for control of our future” is on the spot. Most capitalists will not think that there is a war until it is too late.

I believe that Daybreaker’s view on the national economy would be criminal in the court of the free market. The national economy does not exist in a pure form. There is increasingly an international economy. Its purpose is to create wealth by providing consumers with products and services that have a value. People earn wealth based on their input into the system (perhaps this is why starving artists and musicians like socialism). This is a basic (and selfish) drive in the human race. While there is some benevolence in the human mind, the overwhelming nature of the human is the profit motive (greed) that thrives in the free market.


I don’t hate socialism or communism. I just don’t think they are viable. I don’t want to try it because I don’t want my children to have to experience a Government dominated society. Daybreaker…this is your opportunity to have a real discussion.

Cheers,

Quasi.

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-Laurence J. Peter

Well Hillary Clinton isn't doing too well. She already has a scandal on her hands and very few Americans trust her, most think she is corrupt. And I can't agree more with that. And yes denial is why socialism and the people who support it still exist today.

Canada hasn't been doing too well
The Soviet Union collapsed
China abandoned socialism for capitalism because they saw how it didn't work
Europe is starting to become more conservative

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-Proverbs 16:12

In this modern era of growing need for global solutions, why is "national insolvency" a problem? With proper support, the UN can manage most global concerns and provide services to those most in need in less fortunate geographic locations. Peace can be attained globally with a strong central power ot maintain it. Nationalism is the antithesis of global well-being.
With growing populaces in a shrinking world, can we really afford to tolerate the "will of the people" as a priority? Even today in the pretense of "America, the land of the free," no one is free in any important area of their lives. We still allow people to choose their occupation, but with strong government legal policies regulating that choice. Food, entertainment, education, and even clothing are prescribed through government management. We simply advocate recognition of this reality and the fortitude to stay the course to completion of our transformation to a truly just society. Health, education, and environmental issues require such a system and leadership.

Strong leadership is provided by a leader who recognizes the reality of the world we live in, and has the strength to make the hard decisions for the betterment of the world's society as a whole.
Any way we can put that tired old system of greed and inequality to rest, is warranted and welcomed. Let them cling to their archaic dreams of "freedom" while we complete the mission set for us a generation ago. Hillary understands the vital need for this kind of leadership, and has the ability to provide it.

Pol Pot was framed! Stalin, Trotsky & Lenin were swell statesmen. Mao was a sweetheart of a guy. Don't believe reports about mega executions & starvations. Those are all part of a Sean Hannity-style conspiracy to discredit this fantastic utopian socialist doctrine which, if implemented successfully will make eveyone on Earth immortal as an end result.
Chairman Mao used to fancy little puppy dogs. Kim Il Sung was kind to his mother. Fidel Castro gave his country national healthcare & prosperity. DId you know that brother Kim Il SUng was born on top of a mountain at the precise concordance of a double rainbow? He was already well on the way to everlasting life, just like pharoh.
Josef Stalin used to sleep with Teddy bears/

Sadly, there are certain people who would believe this. Not mentioning any names but the their name starts with a K end with a D and has a middle letter of O.

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“Good leaders abhor wrongdoing of all kinds; sound leadership has a moral foundation.”

-Proverbs 16:12

Seems to me, that people like that, "gravitate towards politics" just 'cause of their personalities...

And then, they gravitate towards a particular kind of politics, just 'cause of their experiences....

So, like, you've got right-wing fanatics, and left-wing fanatics, and there's really no difference, they're both "fanatics" (personality-wise) - the only "slight difference" is that one's a left-wing fanatic 'cause he hates the establishment, while the other's a right-wing fanatic 'cause he wants to use the establishment for his own purposes.

So, it's like, you can't win. Right? That's why keep saying, it doesn't matter what side of the aisle these clowns come from, what matter is that they exist and they're dangerous.

Well played. 2 points.

The UN is in place to promote global well being. But clearly, most of the support that the UN provides comes directly from the U.S. If the U.S. were to go totally socialist tomorrow, I believe that the support for the UN would be severely diminished within five years. I also believe that it is far too easy to assume that independent nations will elect to receive support from the UN. Some will not because of the strings attached. Yes…there are pols in the UN too.

I am not sure if KOD lives in the U.S., but we are free to choose and get educated for any profession, move our families without from the government, travel internationally to most places among the other freedoms too numerous to mention. The government regulations that are in place are typically there for public safety.


I also find it interesting that some look unfavorably on freedom and the will of the people and advocate the socialist policies that are meant to transform our society into a “truly just society” and look out for global well-being.

KOD, it is clear that you favor socialism as a segway to communism. If this is the case, what part of human nature (or example in history) makes you think that communism is a viable option.

NonS, I am “Right of the Middle”. However I do not want necessarily to “use the establishment for (my) own purposes.” I would like to see fairness implemented in a free and impartial manner based on ones own contribution.

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Of course. And those regulations should be extended to include universal healthcare, controlled personal incomes, and broaded education to compensate for inadequate and improper child rearing by incompetent parents.
"Socialism," " Communism," or any other name you want to use for strong and centralized leadership is the only responsible system for this world of growing population, increased weaponry, and worstening environmental conditions that threaten us all. History has nothing to do with current conditions that never existed before. Society needs to admit the freedom experiment has run it's course and more management by government is necessary to address these vital issues.

We've already surrendered most of our liberty to important regulation, and need to set aside the dream of false freedoms to enable more social progress to happen unimpeded.