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Old 08-17-2005, 05:58 PM
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What causes the Jewish race to antagonise and upset citizens of every country in the world.
I grew up in South Africa and even there the Jewish community undermined the legitimate government of the day ( National party) by supporting and funding subversive terrorist groups like the ANC etc and when the government unfortunately changed suddenly all or most ran away to Israel after filtering out money over many years.
Does this happen throughout the world and could this be the reason for anti semitism.
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Old 08-18-2005, 03:30 AM
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Could you possibly provide a link to back up your claim?
I am not Jewish, I have no stake in whether Jews are hated or not other than I have always been taught we are all God's children. The very nature of your post suggests that Jews are bad. I don't see it. It seems to me that Jews have been treated as sub human since the beginning of history. I think that is a major problem and to constantly advance the hate of Jews by giving a "reason" for anit-semitism does nothing to help the problem. I apologize if I have not understood your post as intended.
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Old 08-18-2005, 04:14 AM
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Could you possibly provide a link to back up your claim?
I am not Jewish, I have no stake in whether Jews are hated or not other than I have always been taught we are all God's children. The very nature of your post suggests that Jews are bad. I don't see it. It seems to me that Jews have been treated as sub human since the beginning of history. I think that is a major problem and to constantly advance the hate of Jews by giving a "reason" for anit-semitism does nothing to help the problem. I apologize if I have not understood your post as intended.
I too am not jewish, and have absolutely no religeous attachment.
Having just completed a 12month round the world I was amazed to hear derogatory comments from people in Australia,Asia,USA,UK,Africa and other parts of Europe.
Each youth hostel we stayed at had a community area/bar and inevitably during the evening discussions comments were made by students and adults regarding individual problems they had with the Jewish community in their respective countries.
I have no problems with the Jewish community but am very interested to know why this widespread issue raises its head.
I used South Africa as an example of my parents views and experiences
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I don't know expat.....other than the fact that there are a lot of people who hate Jews. Look at what happened to them during WWII and before. Maybe the question is not what's wrong with them....but what's wrong with other people who hate them for no apparent reason but the fact they are Jews.

Similar to people who hate blacks because of the color of their skin.

I have Jewish friends who I consider no different than me; a Christian. All the Jews I know fit well into society and contribute greatly. So, I guess I don't understand your question.
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What causes the Jewish race to antagonise and upset citizens of every country in the world.
I grew up in South Africa and even there the Jewish community undermined the legitimate government of the day ( National party) by supporting and funding subversive terrorist groups like the ANC etc and when the government unfortunately changed suddenly all or most ran away to Israel after filtering out money over many years.
Does this happen throughout the world and could this be the reason for anti semitism.
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It's a small, yet powerful group with very distinct and often deviant interests.

It' s not exactly a myth that the number of individuals of Jewish decent in politics and international media is somehow large. Not all of them use their influence for their own distinct and (often) deviant interests, a lot of them are loyal to the nations in which they reside and have the interests of the majority in mind. But those of them who don't, can seriously influence the policy of a nation or organization to fit their own interests.

The Neo Conservative influence in American politics for instance, is a good example. Although, the front-men are all Gentiles, many of the leaders on the background are Jewish. And it's no coincidence they (were) are pushing for war with Iraq, Iran and Syria (nasty as some of some of these regimes may be, none of them poses a threat to the U.S, they are all however, enemies of the State of Israel).

See what I'm saying?
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...why do you have a problem wish Jewish people?

It may not be entirely unrelated to your position on the terrorist, subversive ANC (this is your true bait here, right?); as opposed (let's see) to the former 'legitimate' apartheid government of South Africa.

It seems you may have a 'problem' with more people than we know about?
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What causes the Jewish race to antagonise and upset citizens of every country in the world.
What makes you think their goal is to antagonize and upset other people around the world?

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I grew up in South Africa and even there the Jewish community undermined the legitimate government of the day
You mean they were better than you. Americans do not make the same excuses you people do.

They cant undermine the legitimate government without the consent of the masses. If the masses choose to give that consent, whose fault is that?

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Does this happen throughout the world and could this be the reason for anti semitism.
The reason for anti-semitism is that lower cultures like to find scapegoats to blame their mistakes on. Jews are a popular target.

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Having just completed a 12month round the world I was amazed to hear derogatory comments from people in Australia,Asia,USA,UK,Africa and other parts of Europe.
The comments in the USA are few and far between. They barely qualify even as a fringe element nowadays.

US citizens routinely vote for politicians that support Israel (we get criticized for it all the time). That would not be true if a significant portion of Americans were anti-semetic.

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It's a small, yet powerful group with very distinct and often deviant interests.
Their interests are irrelevant so long as they do not override those of the majority. In America, they dont. They conserve their resources and educate themselves. Americans do not make excuses about minorities in the way that other cultures seem to, especially when it comes to Jews.

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The Neo Conservative influence in American politics for instance, is a good example.
I am not Jewish, but their goals are parallel to my own. Why wouldnt I support them?

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And it's no coincidence they (were) are pushing for war with Iraq, Iran and Syria (nasty as some of some of these regimes may be, none of them poses a threat to the U.S, they are all however, enemies of the State of Israel).
We have given many many very specific reasons for that. reasons that have nothing to do with religion at all, and are purely in the interests of America.
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What causes the Jewish race to antagonise and upset citizens of every country in the world.
I grew up in South Africa and Blah..... Blahh.. Blahh.....Blah....
I agree, Jews need to change. How about instead of working thay go on wellfare, sell drugs in your neiborhood, stop contributing to society, and insist the world owes them a living and start a riot when ever thay don't get what thay want. Just live off of your tax dollors. Then thay will fit in better.
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...why do you have a problem wish Jewish people?

It may not be entirely unrelated to your position on the terrorist, subversive ANC (this is your true bait here, right?); as opposed (let's see) to the former 'legitimate' apartheid government of South Africa.

It seems you may have a 'problem' with more people than we know about?
nawbut it pays to read all postings before opening your mouth and trying to stir new issues in to the pot.
You seem to know a lot about South African politics and I am sure you have visited the region prior to the legitimate apartheid ( If you know what the word means) government and since the current incompetent puppets took power and I would love to discuss this issue at your convenience.
At this time please try( If you are able) to give a constructive view to the original posting and subsequent replies
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What causes the Jewish race to antagonise and upset citizens of every country in the world.
I grew up in South Africa and Blah..... Blahh.. Blahh.....Blah....
I agree, Jews need to change. How about instead of working thay go on wellfare, sell drugs in your neiborhood, stop contributing to society, and insist the world owes them a living and start a riot when ever thay don't get what thay want. Just live off of your tax dollors. Then thay will fit in better.
Bluemax you answered the posting very well now have a rest and submit more of your constructive views
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