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Old 11-06-2009, 09:19 PM
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This would be a perfect strategy, if the poor voted. They have some of the lowest voter turn-out. If liberals wanted to get some groups vote, they should try older people.

Also, there is no such thing as elitism. Even the rich, who are most likely to be Republican, are not that elitist. It is just a worthless term that means nothing but somehow is an insult.
I dont mean it as an insult, but yeah there does seem to be a negitve connotation. The elitist are the people with the power and influence. I think its a useful term.

Those poor voters sure made it out to the polls in 2008.

and I think Republicans got most of the old people on their side at the moment. Maybe that will change in 10 or 15 years.
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:20 PM
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Reminds me of a certain news network... Oh yeah!

"we report, you deside!" -Fox news!

I will attempt to prove you wrong. well not prove... but uh... use rhetoric that might allow you to see where im coming from.

I think that Most people have SOME racial biased. For most people, its just harmless things like "black people are good athletes" "asians are smart, and like to smoke cigarettes" "look a minority, chances are he is a democrat."

Im not condoning these thoughts. but people have them. And they arnt laced with hate. Also, from personal experiances, people often make assumtions that "(insert race) is more likly to ______________". Not generalizing completly, knowing there are several exceptions to the racist rule.

Hateful racism is another thing. It should not be tolerated. No race is superior.

Now, back to the survey. I think Cons would be more likly to admit their tendencies to make assumptions about groups of people. But I really think Libs do it too. When we get down to it, most people are guilty of prejudice at some point. Cons are just more willing to fess up.

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If they actually reported, I would not mind them. I would actually like them better than the other channels if they only reported on articles.

Actually, in the article, it says all people have these racial biases. All races, including African Americans, fear African Americans more than Caucasains. Is it the fault of any individual? No. It is just reality. The fact is that conservatives tend to have more than liberals. Liberals still have biases, but, for some reason, have less. However, having these biases does not automatically make anyone a full-blown racist.

The survey did not ask people if they had racial biases, it measured them with reaction times. It did have have any biase due to individual willingness to respond.
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:26 PM
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If they actually reported, I would not mind them. I would actually like them better than the other channels if they only reported on articles.

Actually, in the article, it says all people have these racial biases. All races, including African Americans, fear African Americans more than Caucasains. Is it the fault of any individual? No. It is just reality. The fact is that conservatives tend to have more than liberals. Liberals still have biases, but, for some reason, have less. However, having these biases does not automatically make anyone a full-blown racist.

The survey did not ask people if they had racial biases, it measured them with reaction times. It did have have any biase due to individual willingness to respond.

I approve of this survey

But geez. It gives the impression Cons are the bad guys. We arnt
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I dont mean it as an insult, but yeah there does seem to be a negitve connotation. The elitist are the people with the power and influence. I think its a useful term.

Those poor voters sure made it out to the polls in 2008.

and I think Republicans got most of the old people on their side at the moment. Maybe that will change in 10 or 15 years.
I have never seen an example of an elitist. Bush, Mccain, and other conservatives are not elitist. Obama, Clinton, and other liberals are not elitist. There is probably a rare one in the bunch, but it is a very unlikely radical.

The poor are usually uneducated and, well, poor. Both of which reduce voter turn-out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_t...onomic_factors
"The more educated a person is, the more likely he or she is to vote, even when controlled for other factors such as income and class that are closely associated with education level. Income has some effect independently: wealthier people are more likely to vote, regardless of their educational background."

The reason Republicans do not tackle Social Security is because they need older people, which are more likely to vote.
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I think Cons would be more likly to admit their tendencies to make assumptions about groups of people.
Interesting point. Yeah, that probably is true in a sense. I think liberals probably tend to consciously try identify racist views they hold and censor them internally. It's what some people call 'political correctness', and I believe it is a postive thing.

Most liberals, like anybody else, do carry around tons of racist prejudices. I don't think it's so cleanly split between harmless and hateful though. For example, watch 10 white people walk around in a city for a day and you'll probably notice 9 of the 10 of them doing something like checking their wallet more when they pass by black guys than when they pass by white people or hugging their purse tighter and whatnot. I even catch myself doing it sometimes.

Conservatives and liberals both carry those kinds of prejudices.

But, I think conservatives and liberals tend to deal with that reality differently. I think liberals are more likely to make an effort to do some self examination, think over different things they believe, and to try to ferret out any racist assumptions they may carry. Over time, that's how racism is eliminated. It works. Conservative people seem more likely instead to get defensive, dismiss that process as political correctness, or deny that things are racist.

I also think that liberals tend to be more inclined to try to put themselves in other people's shoes, and liberals tend to be more likely to spend time with people of all races. Both of those things also tend to wear down prejudices.

These are very broad generalizations of course. Some liberals are openly racist and some conservatives are actively seeking to get rid of any racist assumptions they may carry.
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I approve of this survey

But geez. It gives the impression Cons are the bad guys. We arnt
I believe the cause is parenting. The political affiliation of the parent strongely correlates with the party of the child and I think the biases are passed to the child also.

I really do not think conservatives want to be racist. It just nuture. The only remedy would either be education or exposure, which are difficult and expansive.
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I have never seen an example of an elitist. Bush, Mccain, and other conservatives are not elitist. Obama, Clinton, and other liberals are not elitist. There is probably a rare one in the bunch, but it is a very unlikely radical.
A good way to tell if somone is an elitist (or atleast thinks they are) is if they wont talk to you. Where Im from, there is an entire school of kids who dont associate with anyone whose parents arnt pulling in 250k a year AT LEAST.

They are elitists brats in training.

Elitist exist, trust me. Im a Soc Major
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I believe the cause is parenting. The political affiliation of the parent strongely correlates with the party of the child and I think the biases are passed to the child also.

I really do not think conservatives want to be racist. It just nuture. The only remedy would either be education or exposure, which are difficult and expansive.

Racist is suce a harsh word.

Interestingly enough, My parents are Hard core moderate democrats. They arnt super left, but they NEVER vote republican. Im the rare exception to that rule. But yea, I agree most the time upbringing plays a HUGE factor in a persons philosophys and ideologys.
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A good way to tell if somone is an elitist (or atleast thinks they are) is if they wont talk to you. Where Im from, there is an entire school of kids who dont associate with anyone whose parents arnt pulling in 250k a year AT LEAST.

They are elitists brats in training.

Elitist exist, trust me. Im a Soc Major
Elitism is a very small problem in my mind. There may be some snobs, but I they probably are not elitist.

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Racist is suce a harsh word.

Interestingly enough, My parents are Hard core moderate democrats. They arnt super left, but they NEVER vote republican. Im the rare exception to that rule. But yea, I agree most the time upbringing plays a HUGE factor in a persons philosophys and ideologys.
That is why I used racial biases or attitudes. I tried by best to stay away from the term racist.

Also, I am trying to find the study of how people implicitly react to African Americans with more fear, but I cannot find it.

The best I could do was this one:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-in-your-brain

However, you need to pay. I will try to post it soon.
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The old Republican Party is in no way analogous to the modern Republican Party.
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Lol. Why do you have a problem with using proof? Give me proof to back your claims instead of silly examples.
http://www.thedefendersonline.com/20...2008-election/
Kindly stop asking for proof of things you either know or should know.


A look at the racial breakdown of Obama’s winning coalition yields some interesting food for thought:

* Black voters constituted 13 percent of voters, an increase from 11% in 2004
* Hispanics made up 9 percent of the electorate, up from 8 percent in 2004
* 95 percent of blacks and 67 percent of Hispanics voted for Obama

An initial analysis by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies estimates that black turnout swelled by approximately 23 percent, meaning that an astounding 3 million more blacks cast ballots than in 2004. However, the enthusiasm among black voters for Obama was decidedly not shared by whites. Obama received 43% of the white vote, up from Kerry’s 41% of the white vote in 2004, the only group that did not, on the whole, vote for Obama.
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