It's only nice.

I work in an internet cafe in Ireland and I am a member the SWP. Slight difference to American counter-part.
I'm working on a future career in Journalism, writing a few pamphlet on my philosophy and writng in the SWP papper.
I'm a Socialist of course, or known to my yank friends a Communist. But not anything like your 'lefties' over there, I didn't decide we should all be free and equal over dinner. Here are some morals I've acquired

I'm against Capitalism, and the economic system it uses, Capital (money).
I'm pro-shutting up about abortion. I think you're all (*)(*)(*)(*)ing loonies. Shut up and let the women do what they want. We all know they rule the world with their beauty
I also think that when it comes to femanine rights, one has to concider we gave women little boundaries and expectancies that should be gotten rid of. I quite adore a woman that holds the door open for me!
Equality will come out in full bloom, only when people have regained the earths resources for themselves and got out of the crisis "Grab it before someone else does" aditude people are in right now.
Competition is the game of those who cannot exist in peace, they cannot exist in peace because they live in compettition.
Dictatorship. USSR, China, N. Korea, Cuba. Just because a few of our Revolutions descended into dictatorship doesn't invalidate the economic system! Sure there's many Capitalists dictators out there, many of them friends of the US, or put in by the US.
I also believe...... Everyone! And I mean everyone should have the luxury of tasting a Wonka bar atleast once in their lives. Augh! They're to DIE for!
lol

Now.... Maybe some of that went over your heads, but don't overreact, they're just beliefs, and if there can't be people who believe in changing the world and the way we think then you wont really have Democracy then, would you?

Glad to meet you all I suppose, even as small as your skirmishs with eachother seems, it's nice to bring some of the Englsih languege into this forum. he hehe

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Is that what they speak in Galway?

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...uh-hu, the people in America used to speak English aswell, untill they developed this Orwellian type goof-up of English, and a bit more hate a frustration put in there.

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Welcome!

Actually, there has never been a communist country that did not fail/become poor/and or have a dictatorship.

About socialist countries of Europe. They seem to have done well, but then again, the socialist countries of Europe are already showing signs of the break down of their systems because they simply can't pay for it all anyways. I mean, America, a country much less socialist that Europe, is already developing problems of paying what it promised its citizens.

I'm really thinking about joining the SWP but i stopped at the last the second when i read a anarchist magazine article about the SWP.

This is a pretty broad question but what do you guys do and whats your general party line?

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What's this i hear bed? Word has it you and Pam are sleeping together.

lol....funny post. as illogical as it gets

I love how you're trying to be a journalist. Is journalism a magnet for socialists?

You better burn the computer you're typing on. Or perhaps break it apart into components and share it with some poorer people.

This is simply rhetoric. What does it mean that the people regain "the earths (sic) resources"?

Actually, competition and economic integration (through market devices) promote peace. Increase trade between nations and the people of those nations have far less to gain by war.

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How can ideas on a tired philosophy of forced servitude to the state be over somebody's head?

BTW: Your ideas on women's rights are not contradictory to basic capitalism. Don't get sucked into a broken political system because you want to seem passionate about women's issues and impress the gorgeous girl down the street.

Word word. I'm new too. Welcome.

How do you propose to provide an incentive for people to work if not capitalism?

Do you propose letting women "do what the hell they want" to children after birth should be permissible too? If so, how long after birth?

Should a woman be allowed to kill her 3 month old baby for example? She has the right to control her reproductive freedom, right?

I'm gay. They dont rule me. heh heh

How do you plan on determining exactly who should have access to what resources?

They compete because they want stuff. This is a very natural expression of our survival instinct.

Uh...not just a few. ALL of them have. Show me a single example to the contrary. It is like saying "well the sun usually rises every day". heh heh

And yes, it does invalidate it. Because even though you have been given numerous opportunities to make it work, you have failed to do so. You are making the claim that it can work, therefore you are expected to provide proof.

We already know capitalism can and does work. We have plenty of evidence for it already.

All well and good, so long as you can accept the fact that your ideals will be scrutinized and questioned in this forum, often aggressively.

Printer2, thank you!. Socialist Countries in Europe? Yeah, maybe Socially acceptable countries, but for sure, not Socialist. When you try to mix Socialism and Capitalism together you get what you call National Socialism, where all the resources seem to slip into the hands of a power-hungery government. And they decide what happens with these resources. And you know politics, you'd get many more suits in politics before you have hard working workers in government.
These 'problems' on both sides of the ocean are ths signs of stressed out Capitalism.

Headless Pixie: Well, the SWP I'm in, what we generally do is organise in branches, we print a paper for the whole country using that money to pay for the next issue and what's left over we use to fuel our compaigns.
We hold local meetings giving the Marxist perspective of that certain issue. We sell papers and offer our litrature to those who are interested in it.
We do our best to publicise the causes we are involved in to maximize support because it's threw numbers that things happen. We give our utmost best that is within our capacity. To be honest, when I look at the SWP and then look at the Anarchists and other 'Socialist' parties, the latter tends to look as if it's spending it's time riping on us, or eachother and not enough time convincing the people their supposedly fighting for.
How can you buy into that Anarchy crap anyway?

rikitz: There's no Socialists in America. If you think so, you don't quite understand scientific socialism. All you have is Capitalists.

wesmantooth: Me? Being sucked into something bad? I've made my decisions already, ok? I'm not a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing kid, I think I know what I'm talking about ok.
Journalism..... My aspirations have nothing to do with my economic views. But perhaps Journalism is attached to Marxism in some way, you have something there.
Since I've joined the SWP I couldn't hold a conversation without my face going red and my having to run away. Now, I can broadcast my views to the world, hold fast moving philosophical debates, and make announcements and public forums, without going threw an episode again. And my comrades have grown more as people, they can express themselves with more ease then before. They are growing as people!

Regardless of what you may think Socialism is, I'll tell you what it is. I don't want to share anything that I have earned and have very little of, I will share with those who need and those who I can trust. Socialism isn't about sharing, it's about using the right economic system so you don't end up with power-struggles and starvation in a food rich atmosphere. Y'get me?

Rhetoric:
I was stating my prime beliefs you (*)(*)(*)(*)tard, of course it's rhetoric! You want me to write a full (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thesis on it? You want me to waste people's time?

Competition:
No, it can also start competition wars (duh!) that lead to a lack in quality, a forced increase in production, man-hours and/or wages will suffer.

Capitalism is tired out if you ask me. It's a dead weight on the planet. Because of the logging and paper industries we have less trees (when we could have been using Hemp all along, but it was illegalised by those very people under the basis it looks like Marijuana). Because of corporate interest coming before education we can bearly educate ourselves any more in these '1st world countries', 80% of the time the money is there, but not put into the class room.
But it could go over your head if you've never heard an alternative way of defining the universe before. And it looks like Marxism is way far above yours.
I have some prewritten 'Marxism for dummies', basically explaining in a slow and understandable way of how I think the environment Capitalism has errected is one that gives people the idea that capital has a vital part in their existance, the need for competition, why crime becomes a problem, and how to establish a people friendly environment that will encourage growth, imagination, self-education, and innovation. I just need to find it, and then put it into a topic of it's own. If I'm going to show it, it'll have to be to all.

Women can (*)(*)(*)(*)ing disappear for all I care! Nothing but a bloody neusence! Actually it would be better for the world as a whole if we were all asexual beings. The libedo is mans greatest inner foe!
But still, while they're hear they're still as much human as I am. Women can have all the rights that I have, but I want the rights that she has.

And thank you for your welcome. I hope we enjoy some real deep debates in the future.

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If you post in an anonymous public debate forum, you have to expect that people may be critical of your ideas. It is kind of naive to expect anything else.

This is a forum, not a blog.

Thats up to you. No one is forcing you to reply to our messages at all.

If you want to be taken seriously here, you will have to debate and defend your ideas. Since you are a liberal, I dont really expect that you will, but I had to give you the benefit of the doubt since you are new.

There are no working alternatives that are superior to capitalism. Please post evidence of any that you know of.

Capitalism channels greed. It provides an incentive for people to produce.

Then why is it the most prosperous nations on the planet are all Capitalist societies? The data does not support your conclusion.

In America, because we have preserves where logging isnt allowed we end up with massive forrest fires.

Nature will remove the excess if we do not. Why shouldnt we at least make use of it?

Yet that does not seem to keep America from competing...we are still the most economically powerful nation in human history. Is it possible that there are more variables than what you consider to be good education?

If you cannot support your idea with evidence, then it is probably a good idea not to waste everyone's time with it.

So far Marxists have not found a way to keep their ideology from degenerating into totalitarianism. Until that happens, why should we take it seriously?

Maybe, but that is not reality.