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My post calling this an unsupported partisan rant has been questioned so let's look at the facts related to it:

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The Audacity of Unawareness

April 15th, 2009 5:03 pm Barack Obama, through his spokesman, claimed today that he was unaware of the tax day tea parties. Granted, the MSM has done a good job in suppressing any sort of coverage ahead of time (and the little coverage they did provide was derisive at best).


Provided is a 5 second video taken out of context and the statement isn't even being made by the President.

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But how out of touch is the Community Organizer in Chief, really?
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This much we know:

- He was unaware that he was attending a church (for 20 years) with a racist pastor who hates America .
No evidence is presented that the Rev Wright is either a racist or that the Reve Wright hates America nor is any evidence presented that the President was ever present when the Rev. Wright made inflamatory statements. The President clearly condemned the radical statements which were made by Rev Wright and is not associated with them at all.


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- He was unaware that he was family friends with, and started his political career in the living room of, a domestic terrorist.
Bill Ayers has never been convicted of any crimes related to terrorism nor is there any evidence that President Obama was close personal friends with Mr Ayers. It can also be noted that any actions of Mr Ayers occurred twenty years prior to Obama meeting him and at the time Obama met Mr Ayers he was an upstanding member of his community.

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- He was unaware that he had invested in two speculative companies backed by some of his top donors right after taking office in 2005.
It is doubtful if even 1/10 of 1% of individuals know who the principle investors are in companies in which they invest. The belief that someone should know this information are absurd.

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- He was unaware that his own aunt was living in the US illegally.
- He was
She had moved to America on a visa which expired and while technically this could be called illegal it was nothing but an oversight. I seriously doubt that most individuals even know when their own drivers license expires and certainly wouldn't expect a relative to know when a family members documents expire. To expect someone to know the expiration date on a family members documents is an absurd expectation.

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unaware that his own brother lives on pennies a day in a hut in Kenya .
This is a half brother who Obama had never met nor had any dealings with. The position that anyone should have knowledge about relative they had never met living in a foreign country is absurd.


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- He was unaware of the AIG bonuses that he and his administration approved and signed into a bill.
The AIG bonuses were a contractual issue which existed prior to the bill ever being drafted and there was no reason for the President to address specific contract issues in the bill. It would have actually been illegal under the US Constitution for the bill to remove the contract provisions because it would have constituted ex post facto legislation which is expressly prohibited.

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- He was unaware that the man he nominated to be his Secretary of Commerce was under investigation in a bribery scandal.
Bill Richardson has not been indicted for any crimes and the investigation was a routine investigation which did not present any evidence or allegations of wrongdoing. Of course the OP fails to mention that Sarah Palin was under several investigations when nominated as the Vice Presidential candidate by the Republicans.

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- He was unaware that the man he nominated to be his Secretary of Health and Human Services was a tax cheat.
- He was unaware that the man he nominated to be his Secretary of the Treasury was a tax cheat.
- He was unaware that the man he nominated to be the U.S. Trade Representative was a tax cheat.
- He was unaware that the woman he nominated to be his Chief Performance Officer was a tax cheat.
Delinquent filings of a federal tax returns does not constitute being a tax cheat and isn't even a violation of IRS tax codes if the individual is entitled to a tax refund. No evidence is provided in any of these cases that the individual attempted to cheat on their taxes.

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- He was unaware that the man he nominated to be #2 at the Environmental Protection Agency was under investigation for mismanaging $25 million in EPA grants.

This link doesn't even work. If providing allegations it is best if one provides an actual source for the allegations. Of course investigation how tax dollars are spent is an important function of our government and audits are conducted all of the time related to them. No wrongdoing has been established so this, once again, constitutes nothing more than a partisan rant.

Amazingly if someone wanted to slam Obama I would choose the appointment of Hillary Clinton which violated the US Constitution. The Constitution prohibits the appointment to a position of a serving legislator if the compensation for position has been raised during the individuals time in office. The compensation had been raised twice while Hillary Clinton was in office and even though Congress reduced that compensation the action still violated the US Constitution which does not make allowances for that. Congress cannot change history and the fact that the compensation was raised twice is a fact.

But no, instead we get these partisan rants which are based upon absurdity.
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Old 10-03-2009, 08:19 AM
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Good thread. I think he is just minor league and can't keep up with what he really has to do.
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Good thread. I think he is just minor league and can't keep up with what he really has to do.
Apparently President Obama is doing something right when compared to the prior adminstration.

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A German Marshall Fund (GMF) survey reports a record 86 percent of Europeans agree with Mr. Obama's policies – a dizzying jump from 19 percent for President George Bush. In Germany, where mega-crowds gathered to hear him speak during the 2008 election campaign, Obama is at 92 percent, an 80-point pole vault over Mr. Bush's last rating.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0910/p06s25-woeu.html
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Apparently President Obama is doing something right when compared to the prior adminstration.



http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0910/p06s25-woeu.html
And worrying about Europe over america is a good thing?
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No wonder he is perpetual campaign mode, he is "unaware" that he has been elected.
Attachment 3906 Okay, now I need to wipe off my computer screen!
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And worrying about Europe over america is a good thing?
The poll reflects European opinions of the changes in US foreign policies and is a independent reflection of whether what the US is doing is right or wrong in the eyes of the world. Certainly it reflects that President Obama's changes in US foreign policy are for the benefit of America as opposed to the Bush policies which turned European opinions against the United States.

No nation stands alone and independent evaluations of a nations policies are reflective of overall approval or disapproval of the actions of a nation.

It is highly hypocritical of so-called "conservatives" who on the one hand falsely accuse the President as turning his back on our allies while at the same time the People of those nations have a very high approval rating of the President's policies in those very same countries.

As I have addressed in this thread all we are partisan seeing rants as opposed to valid political concerns and issues being addressed.
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I think you mean lies and distortions and several links that conveniently don't work.

Keep spinning.

Something must be wrong with your computer. I had no trouble pulling them up I got an error message on one which isn't bad with that many links. ....Check your computer.
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Something must be wrong with your computer. I had no trouble pulling them up I got an error message on one which isn't bad with that many links. ....Check your computer.
hey...FYI, your PM mailbox is full...we can't send you messages.
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Apparently President Obama is doing something right when compared to the prior adminstration.



http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0910/p06s25-woeu.html
President Obama alongside a Democratic led controlled Congress added over $1 trillion dollars to The National Debt in a matter of 6 months, record spending Federal deficit at approximately $1.84 trillion dollars. Since the origin of The Federal Reserve, the purchasing power of the American dollar declined by nearly 95% Apparently it's permissible for President Obama to max out our nation's credit card on programs not specifically designed to stimulate the economy at tax payer expense. It's well documented Obama and the Democrats plan on cutting nearly $500 million dollars from Medicare that will deprive "the right of individuals", the disabled and our senior citizens access to quality health care. America, a country divided and not united and thus far Obama's presidency is a total fiasco. What President passed the largest tax on tobacco products in U.S. history???

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My post calling this an unsupported partisan rant has been questioned so let's look at the facts related to it:




She had moved to America on a visa which expired and while technically this could be called illegal it was nothing but an oversight. I seriously doubt that most individuals even know when their own drivers license expires and certainly wouldn't expect a relative to know when a family members documents expire. To expect someone to know the expiration date on a family members documents is an absurd expectation.




The AIG bonuses were a contractual issue which existed prior to the bill ever being drafted and there was no reason for the President to address specific contract issues in the bill. It would have actually been illegal under the US Constitution for the bill to remove the contract provisions because it would have constituted ex post facto legislation which is expressly prohibited.




Delinquent filings of a federal tax returns does not constitute being a tax cheat and isn't even a violation of IRS tax codes if the individual is entitled to a tax refund. No evidence is provided in any of these cases that the individual attempted to cheat on their taxes.

Amazingly if someone wanted to slam Obama I would choose the appointment of Hillary Clinton which violated the US Constitution. The Constitution prohibits the appointment to a position of a serving legislator if the compensation for position has been raised during the individuals time in office. The compensation had been raised twice while Hillary Clinton was in office and even though Congress reduced that compensation the action still violated the US Constitution which does not make allowances for that. Congress cannot change history and the fact that the compensation was raised twice is a fact.

But no, instead we get these partisan rants which are based upon absurdity.
I'm really not a big supporter of nitpicking every little thing, so I'll address the matters that have some importance in my eyes.

His aunt should well have known her visa expired. If she did not, ignorance is no excuse. This is not a a simple oversight, it is blanantly abusing our immigration system. Obama was running for president and this information came out, did his own people not do background work on him and his relatives? It should have been found by his people and rectified. That is a failure that appears unacceptable in my eyes.

The issue of bonuses is another showing of his amatuerish handling of the issue. Obama was out campaigning hard to get the stimulus; he and his staff should have been aware of such issues. The outrage of the people over this event just shows he's out of touch with the people. Only after missing the whole thing does he come out in faux outrage that such things could happen; all the while pretending it didn't happen on his watch. Either he didn't understand the bill he signed or he really is inept.

Anyone who is going to be Sec. Treasury should very well understand all the tax codes and time tables. They should also have a clean record; Geithner didn't handle his tax issues until he absolutely had to. Some people prefer those who lead by example. If that the example Obama wants to set, he draws more of my contempt. There are scores of people with solid tax records that could have filled many of these jobs, any of them could have been pegged, instead we get many who simply shouldn't have been. It ust demonstrates poor judgement by Obama.

The Clinton issue again shows his inexperience and ineptness for this office. If he doesn't understand the laws and rules of the nation, he shouldn't be leading it. You fail to take into account that somehow Clinton made it through a Senate confirmation; they missed it too, or ignored it.

All in all, Obama appears to be woefully out of his league and completely unable to grasp the position he holds. Bravo!
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