“Do you believe we are Winning the War on Drugs?
Do you believe we are Loosing the War on Drugs?
Do you even care?

All of these Questions beg to be answered in this the Longest Lasting War in American History. It has the distinction of the Biggest war put on by America. It’s the most prolific War in our history with prisoners counted in the millions. It effects every single American citizen. Yet due in large part of the Pro-Drug War side, it has continued for decades and shows no sign of slowing, in fact every year it gets bigger and bigger.”

“Almost every American self medicates in one form or another. They take prescription drugs from there pharmacies, they take over the counter medications they can buy any where. They take legal Drugs like Alcohol, and cigarettes, they self medicate using all these Drugs. None of these people can morally say they are any different than the Illegal drug users.

When Americans try to say that self medication with one drug is ok, but self medication with another drug isnt, they enter into the moral quagmire that the War Machine puts in front of them. You get into all kinds of technical data that is put out by the War Machine, Medical associations, and lawyers and this doesn’t help anyone understand what self medication is or isnt.

Don’t rely on data concocted by entities that are profiting from this War!
As a good example look at what these people have to say about coffee!

http://frankweed.blogspot.com/2005/09/drug-x.html/

“The Clinical Management of Poisoning and Drug Overdose states:
"this Drug X-induced psychosis, whether it be delirium, manic depression, schizophrenia, or merely an anxiety syndrome, in most cases will be hard to differentiate from other organic or non-organic psychoses....The treatment for this Drug X-induced psychosis is to withhold Drug X."

Does any American feel that way about coffee? Of course not, so why count on these people to tell you the truth in a simple concise manner?

This War can not sustain itself. It needs to end. Prohibition started 50 years ago based on prejudice and racism, and it still relies on those things today. It leaves a foul taste in most Americans mouth. The War has to end. All Wars must eventually come to an end.

Many are scared by the fact that there is no exit strategy for when the Pro Drug War advocates have pushed this War as far as middle America will or can go. But in the mean time there are crimes going on against humanity. Oh Americans hate to hear that don’t we.

What I propose is a way for middle of the road Christian Americans to make a fair and unbiased opinion on this War by looking at the common sence facts and not allowing the other elements of this War distract them with there propaganda.

I am relying on information I get from the Internet from all parts of this War. I am communicating with Americans in Christian forums, and in Political forums, as well as drug forums. I want to offer a way for all rational Americans to realize what the War is and what it is doing to Americans right now while you are reading this. I also hope to provide a way for Most Americans to accept Self medication for what it is and not what some wish it might be.”

Please continue reading my piece and others I have written as I explore the Drug War and its effect on America

-Frank Weed

http://frankweed.blogspot.com/

This thread and a post hidden deep down under the heading of "Canada" on this forum are both right on the money. The drug war is a scam, based on lies and propaganda, created not to protect the health of American citizens, but to discriminate against unfavorable minorities. I see no reason to go into further detail about this as anyone can easily find all the info about this in a post under "Marijuania- is it really wrong?" under the "Canada" heading.

Here's my stance on the legalization of drugs:

Marijuania- Legalize it and tax the hell out of it. The government could be making a fortune off this lucrative product. Polls show that at least 1/3 of Americans already use the drug, so the government could stand to make billions off marijuania if it were legal. It is only as dangerous as smoking cigarettes and can even be eaten rather than smoked, making it much less harmful. As we all know by know, there seems to be some medicinal purposes for this drug as well. Of course, there are still many unanswered questions regarding the medicinal purposes, but legalization would allow for much more in depth research into the subject. Legalization of marijuania would also pave the way for a hemp industry in the US, a product that can be used to make clothing and rope as well as numerous other products, and acre for acre, produces 4 times more paper than wood.

LSD, MDMA, and other hallucinogens- keep them illegal. There effects are far too unpredictable for mass consumption, and few serious medicinal uses have ever been found (although many pyschiatrists have stated that LSD might be useful in treating schizophrenia and MDMA might help emotionally stubborn individuals speak more openly about their feeling during sessons).

Cocaine- keep it illegal. Enough said here, I think.

Heroin- I think Williams Burroughs' proposed solution to the heroin problem in the US is the best so far, except that it is far to politically incorrect for most Americans to stomach. His idea was for the government to hand it out freely to whoever wanted it. Let them waste away on their free high until they all die off and, *poof*, problem solved. Believe me, that's all heroin addicts really want anyway. [/u]

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LET ME SEE YOUR WAR FACE!!!

I think all efforts to contain marijuana are stupid. The gateway drug effect and the gang violence are functions of its illegality. Marijuana, like coffee, is only a problem if you become obsessed with it (like half the people who favor its legalization, thus making the work of legalization more difficult). I personally quit pot because of a thing that can only be described as "What's the point?" I think most people do and I think weed is a little less destructive than some prescription pain-killers and may help some people with other ailments like chronic nausea and glaucoma.

But other drugs... heroin and other opiates (including prescription ones misused), cocaine, heroin (worth mentioning again), methamphetamines, and debatably hallucinogens (I don't think so, but there are good arguments) are horrible. If the drug war removed pot from its scopes and focused on treatment and prevention of the use of these nasty drugs and alcohol when it's out of hand, it would actually save society in an economic sense more than its cost (invisible to most taxpayers in the form of jail, police, hospitalization, abuse, children on welfare, property damage, work-related injury, and a few other things). Actually it already does, but I personally think if they wasted less time on pot and used more resources on the nastier drugs it would be much more efficient. Treatment is in the long run cheaper and more productive than incarceration, but it requires willingness of the user and some social support (the guys who live alone are screwed unless they go to support groups continuously or make friends that aren't scum). Prevention would be even more efficient, but they need to find methods that actually work (if only there were some incentive for private companies to help out- the government will get there some day, but not anytime soon).
But in short, I agree with you on pot. Other drugs... I don't think you see the costs we really pay for them.

I see these attitudes all over the place...this drug should be legalized, this drug shouldn’t...its the Anti DrugWar propaganda. Its all over but its not going anywhere.

Look at the links on my blog, all those groups are well meaning sections of America, all those citizens believe in ending the Drug War, all those Americans and millions more who wont say anything for fear of the War Machine.

http://frankweed.blogspot.com/2005/0...-machine.html/


All these Americans who want to change the War and limit its scope while well meaning and definitely right both on an ethical basis and on moral grounds are trying to stop this War but are having a very small impact. As evidenced thru the new creation of thousands of Drug courts over the past few years. As evidenced in the escelation of the DEAs role into an international war with Canada over MArc Emery.

I suggest to all that the reason for this is that the War MAchines propaganda has over decades of promotion turned most Americans off to the Drug debate.
The Machine wishes for Americans to sit back and relax, let us take care of this criminal element, or if your going to help...narc on your neighbor.

I suggest to you that the only real way to change the tide in this War is to educate the bulk of Americans that Self medication in and of itself is not a problem for the vast majority of Americans. And in facing this fact they will discover that we are not on some kind of Moral Crusade to save America, but in fact are in a dirty civil War with ourselves.

That the majority of Americans are not addicts, just self medicators. and that the War Machine can only be stopped by having Most Americans agree to this philosophy.

Its a very hard topic, and I feel I am close to a way to explain to Most Americans that the War is a mistake.
That we are going in the wrong direction, but it will take allot to get Americans to even look at this information that explains the actual American self medication ideal.

We are after all fighting decades of brain washing by the War Machine.

-Frank
http://frankweed.blogspot.com/

Hemp can be processed into a biofuel called ethanol. The hemp plant can produce something like 20 times more ethanol than the next closest plants.

Hemp can also make clothes(one of the reason Dupont originally sought to make it illegal) and paper.

Before it's becoming illegal, farmers were REQUIRED to grow hemp by law.


quite a turn around, dontcha think?

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OK a lot of people have talked about Marijuana in America. There are hundreds of web sites dedicated to the love and propagation of this claimed miracle plant.

There are dozens of sites claiming the opposite that this plant is a drug that harms many. The War Machine makes many claims that this drug is a scourge to society.

I suggest you don’t take the claims of any of these guys for granted. Look into it yourself. Talk to your friends and families, talk to who ever you trust. But remember the War Machine propaganda is everywhere. Try to read between the lines because they aren’t going to tell you the whole truth.

Tens of millions of Americans self medicate with this plant in America today. Probably a lot more, safe to say a hell of a lot since no body really knows for sure.

I have personally seen Americans use this medication, for social interactions, relaxation, chronic pains from age, arthritis, indigestion, lack of appetite, and a host of other reasons. Millions of Americans use Marijuana as a medication because they do not have access to any heath care. These citizens are being asked by the War Machine to treat all there aces and pains with over the counter medication or alcohol. Most of these Americans don’t believe this is fair of the War Machine.

A lot of these self medicators must use Marijuana to get through there day or be subject to real pain that changes there productivity. This goes right to the heart of America folks.

When considering if a medication is useful or not I think every American needs to ask themselves what are the known risks, and its medicinal benefits.

Then make an informed decision if they will or will not use this medication. It is obvious to me that every American does this with what ever drug they might use, including Alcohol, Cigarettes, Prescription drugs, coffee, and yes Marijuana. If they don’t think about the risks and benefits then they should.
This to me is just common sense.

It is also common sense I think that Most of the millions of Americans that are using Marijuana are not having a problem with it. They are leading productive lives, and are respected members of there individual communities. I am talking tens of millions of Americans, probably a lot more, but does it really matter? These people are your friends your families, and your neighbors. Of course it matters.

The War Machine is stuck back in the 60’s and 70’s, they would have you believe that all of Americas Marijuana comes from other countries. Countries that we need to help to eradicate this threat to America.

Fact is that its not another countries problem it’s the problem of every American in this country. The problem of how to deal with millions of Americans who choose even in the face of the War Machine to self medicate using Marijuana.

But is it true that supplys of Marijuana are mostly an international problem. That persons like Marc Emery in Canada an outspoken marijuana advocate who sells seeds across international lines. Are the real problem? The Drug War Machine would have you believe this.

The fact is that the Marijuana problem is that so many Americans want it. And that these Americans have to sneek around both in there search for this medicine, and during there use of this medicine. But yet it continues to be more popular than ever! Its easy for some Americans to come to the conclution that all these millions of Americans must be addicted to want to use an illegal drug with such dire consequences from the War Machine.

Fact is that Most Americans don’t fear the War Machine because the War Machine has been after the lower class sectors of America (Minorities) preying on the poorer Americans. But is that changing? Is the War Machine training there sights on middle class America more today then before? Maybe we should understand what the Marijuana supply scene is like here in our own country to understand it more fully.

Fact is Millions and millions of Americans want Marijuana.
Most Americans today rely on a close social group of friends I think I’ll call the Weed buddy System! It goes like this…

Weed Buddy System!

There is a marijuana farmer, this farmer will generally start many seedlings or more commonly today clones of what ever strains of the Marijuana plant they possess.

Marijuana self medicators prefer if possible to have a selection of various types of this plant. The various types actually effect these self medicator in various ways, such as intensity of buzz, length of the buzz, flavor, and smell even are all characteristics that are sought out.

The farmer will distribute some of these plants to his friends and they in turn will all become farmers. These farmers plant several plants each out doors, usually far away from threats like pot thieves.

They go to great lengths to protect there plants, but not like the War Machines claims of machine guns and the such. But instead they protect there plants from deer, and other rodents that might prey on them. These farmers fertilize there plant, and put up deer fencing to guard there gardens. They seek out remote spots where there plants will be safe.

The fact is that the War Machine has had a history of not finding most of these gardens. And the main threat has always been animals and thieves. Not the War Machine.

In the fall these gardeners will harvest there plants often time sharing the trimming work with there buddies in trimming parties, and sharing there harvest.

This operation of socially sharing the work has been happening for decades. And the War Machine does not want you to know this. The War Machine wants you to continue to think that Marijuana is from some outside country, its not American. But the fact is that most Marijuana used in America today is locally grown in gardens by local citizens, for consumption in their local communities.

These local gardeners and there friends who also self medicate are numbered in the tens of millions. And almost none of these guys are on the War Machine radar. They don’t appear in any Government data. As far as the War Machine goes they don’t exist.

When local Gardens are stolen by the War Machine, these Americans find themselves in the position of buying imported Marijuana as well. Something locals tend not to like doing.

This year marked a change in the way the War Machine does business. They still claim to be seeking out international drug smugglers. But in reality they are crossing the country taking millions of plants from these local Americans who want nothing more than to be left alone to self medicate the way they choose.

The War Machine is using local National Guard helicopters, not to fight international crime, but instead to seek out these mom and pop farmers. Farmers who in there own communities are helping to supply locals with there much wanted medication.

Another tactic that the War Machine uses is to convince Americans that the War is going well is by saying look…look at all the millions of plants we took from the big drug dealers. They don’t want you to see those drug dealers as they call them because in reality they are local citizens who are just trying to live happy productive lives.

This should be a sign. The War Machine is struggling. Local Law enforcement agency’s are not very committed to this War. This is because they have to face these local citizens and the local law knows which ones are criminals, and which ones are plain ol Americans trying to live a peaceful life.

So don’t believe everything you read. Marijuana is definitely here to stay. The only question remaining is how long is middle of the road Americans going to keep kicking there feet screaming its wrong. Or worse than that sitting still saying nothing and letting the War Machine keep grazing on American citizens.

We need to face the facts that Most Americans self Medicate to one degree or another. And we need to be more accepting in our judgments of these Americans.
After all they are trying under harsh circumstances of real life to survive as best they can.

Don’t let the War Machine Graze you!

-Frank

I do not take other's words for gospel and I suggest that you do not either. In truth, your rant about the War Machine( do you mean this War Machine? http://www.marveldirectory.com/indiv...armachinei.htm I always prefered plain old Iron Man.) sounds more like you are one of those propagating some conspriracy myth than my pertinent post about the many uses of the Hemp plant.

No where in my post did I advocate using it for recreational purposes. I only attempted to show that it has many other uses that may lead to it remaining illegal. Do you honestly think the Oil companies and theirlobbyists will allow use ordinary peons to grow their own gas?

That and the money made by the drug police are why this war keeps going... and I have already determined that it will never stop. You will be ranting at 90 years old and those NG helicopters will still be flying over empty forests and fields.

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Comparing marijuana to pain killers is laughable and a red herring. Most people do not smoke pot because of its pain killing benefits. I would allow an individual to grow a plant in his house for personal use as long as there are no children in the household. If they commit a crime while under the influence or to support their habit then I would double the penalty for that crime. Other than that nothing should be legal for an entire host of reasons.

The fallacy that the war on drugs has produced little to no results is just that, a fallacy. Drug laws have brought the mafia in the US as well as Italy to its knees. The mafia today is a shell of its former self and that is because of American drug laws. Of course all drugs shouldn't be legalized, most Americans don't want this to become the craphole known as Amsterdam.

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All you need to know about the energy crisis:
ANWR Exploration Republicans: 91% Supported. Democrats: 86% Opposed.
Coal-to-liquid R's: 90% YES. D's: 78% NO.
Oil Shale Exploration R's: 90% YES. D's: 86% NO.
Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
Increased Refinery Capacity R's: 97% YES. D's: 96% NO

SUMMARY: 91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of America’s own oil and gas. 86% of House Democrats have historically voted against.

I imagine by that statement that you like myself have health insurance.

The Americans I know some who served in the military who do in deed suffer from many ailements including dabilitating joint pain for example. Do find relief in smoking Marijuana. I dont concider that laughable at all.

I concider it a better remidy than both aspirin and Alcohol. given those are some of the few choices left to these guys and millions of other Americans who do not have health care of any kind, and can not see a doctor because it either costs too much or there afraid to talk to a doctor because now even doctor patient preveledges arent protected inder the law.

I stand by my statement on this one. laugh all you want.

a very very limited few of those who use it. And medical studies would contradict your marijuana versus asprin assumptions (for most illnesses). If they were in the military then they are covered under the VA. If they don't have insurance they can go to an emergency room if their problems are that bad. Not going to doctor? Sounds like an excuse.

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All you need to know about the energy crisis:
ANWR Exploration Republicans: 91% Supported. Democrats: 86% Opposed.
Coal-to-liquid R's: 90% YES. D's: 78% NO.
Oil Shale Exploration R's: 90% YES. D's: 86% NO.
Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
Increased Refinery Capacity R's: 97% YES. D's: 96% NO

SUMMARY: 91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of America’s own oil and gas. 86% of House Democrats have historically voted against.