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Old 09-22-2005, 02:13 PM
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Default BECAUSE DEMOCRACY IS A FRAUD

Because democracy is a fraud, there is one way to achieve real honest government system:
First and foremost, we need to understand that this system will be put down, condemned, insulted, laughed at, compared with communism, nazism, dictatorships, liberalism and what ever else they can come up with. this is because this system is just what would end the ruling class rule and bring the power to people. no it's not a democrat getting elected.
this system is where all people who wish can vote for decisions government will make. this would end government manipulation, stealing and other abuse of power. to achieve this system only a few basic things are needed from you:
we need to present candidates who will run for senate/president under promisse to pass this law. you need to spread the word to everyone you know about organization www.pgov.org who aims to achieve this goal, and ignore any and all propaganda on non democratic media. read the website, and you will find out clever tactics they use to manipulate majority of us.
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Old 09-22-2005, 05:29 PM
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This is nothing new, the Greeks used it. Its called direct democracy. Its conceptually impossible because there are simply too many people, most people don't care, there are simply too many things to vote on, and people don't have time. Thats why we have politicans, its their job to do what we can't have time for.
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most people don't care,
some do. like me.
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there are simply too many things to vote on,

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some do. like me. and u and all of us kooks here are so busy we barely have time to post on this board? come on.
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i realyreally dont want to insult u nor anyone who at least responds to my posts, especially with logic. but i fel like im in the land of crazy nuts, world so crazy it totaly dont make sense, it's like people are all these vultures, but intelligent ones coz they can speak and twist things to make look like they care about society, when in fact all they care is their well being in the end. at any cost. it's like i have these goggles on where i see inside each person more then he sees himself. it really feels like this for the past 10 years.
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Its a great idea, but frankly impossible. It's like communism- for it to work, everyone must have the same idea and mindset. You must convince 8 billion people that everything they know is wrong. That is impossible.
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You must convince 8 billion people that everything they know is wrong.
RIGHT. it's a big task, but it would do a lot.
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Even getting the 300 million in the US is probably impossible. Since, after all, the govornment has the whole army and people usually have the mindset that the govornment and the media cannot tell a lie, converting the whole population would be incredibly difficult. The only way to change the US govornment would be to start a freaking civil war, or having most politicians supporting the idea. I don't think you can change this world to a place where people will really be free. I also think that the world will soon end, and that there is nothing we can do to change that.
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converting the whole population would be incredibly difficult.
Do you actually believe either of these statements?
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Rikitz idea actually has some merit.
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Since, after all, the govornment has the whole army and people usually have the mindset that the govornment and the media cannot tell a lie,
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Do you actually believe either of these statements?
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Here's why it wouldn't work.

In the last session alone, the House introduced 3,892 bills.
The Senate introduced 1,759.

Do you really propose that we hold national votes on 5,600 bills every session?

Even if we did, do you really think most people would go to the polls to do so?

Direct democracy works in a social club with 50 people. It doesn't work in a nation of 300 million.
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