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"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

When lives are on the line, it is imperative that the U.S. succeed in Iraq. And as everyone says, success doesn't necessarily = bush re-elected. It just proves that somehow Bush's mistakes can be undone. If we don't succeed in Iraq, all it means is that Bush's stupidity when it comes to Iraq has not been covered for.

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Save the environment! Plant a Bush back in Texas.
The last time people listened to a bush, they ended up wandering around the desert for 40 years.

At best, we'll (hopefully) somehow get the people there to settle down enough for us to make a gradual exit over the next few years. They'll likely install some Saddam Jr. type, who has the might to keep the various factions quiet while we load the trucks. Then he'll turn on us like the last one did. The hatred felt for us, and our increasingly moronic Middle East positions, won't go away whether Dubs is re-elected or not. With every blunder, Bush whizzes on a hornets' nest - but is too simple minded to know why we'll get stung. I mean, we've been "pulling out" of Bosnia since 1996 or so - and still have 1500 or so there. Bush made a statement regarding "enlightened imperialism" when speaking about other embattled foreign lands - so you can see where his head is (or isn't).

Considering that we've yet to extricate ourselves from several other meaningless rat holes, it's hard to say if we'll get out of Iraq, or feel any sense of security, for years to come.

I think we are all seeking success. It is just that I doubt the current Bush tatics are not going to get us there, and if it ever does, at a much greater price.

Now there are several assumtions in there.

One is if somehow we are able to stop resistence against us in Iraq and form a new Iraqi government under Bush, that still does not mean he deserves re-election IMO.

Second, if you say there is the option of elect Bush and have Iraq OK but everything else screwed up, like the deficit and evironment, or elect Kerry, still have Iraq OK, but get the rest of the Presidential leadership of Kerry, I'll take Kerry. But to assume that if Kerry is elected Iraq will not be OK is wrong, so that still would effect my vote.

IF I am God and can JUST choose between your options, Then I would be God and make a third choice, Success in Iraq and Kerry as President.

What I love about Senax is that even if I agree with him once or twice, there will be a hundred times, like this one, where I don't agree.

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"What does a former president's son know about the Iraq war anyway?"
-- GW Bush when asked about Ron Reagan's negative comments, 6/25/2004.
www.BushZombie.com

How do you Americans can believe that the world will be better after the US have invaded and destroyed an entire country without respecting any international law? The world is going totally WORST than it was 5 years ago.
This war is ALREADY lost, since its beginning.
I don't understand HOW this war can be positive on any sense.
Can somebody explain me HOW this shameful war can be WON some day?
To win does it mean to control the OIL resources? Does it mean exterminate the Arabs?
If to win means to be safer as an American citizen so the US is lost.
How do you expect to be safe when you invade the other's countries, destroy everything, from buildings to institutions, killing innocent people and creating hate and chaos?

But coming back to the point, I think whatever it happens in Iraq from here to the elections, Bush will always be able to control the general public opinion, since he controls all the media in the US. When I watch American broadcasted news, for example, I feel bizarre cause I realize how manipulated are the facts to give the impression that this war is nice and fair. The same with the newspapers, radio, internet etc.

I can not speak for other Americans. I only can speak for myself, on my views. International law seems to have been in our favor. At the end of the first gulf war a cease fire was in place, backed by U.N. resolutions. The U.N. resolutions were ignored, and circumvented by the U.N.

If you think the war was lost from the beginning, I feel that you are wrong. Would you show up at the WC hockey finals and not play because the other team is stronger or has a better strategy. No, you play the game. Not that Iraq is a game.

To win = To stop violence in the region. You use the word innocent very loosely. The world must be a very bleak place for you. Sorry.

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"Democracy is a process by which the people are free to choose the man who will get the blame."

-Laurence J. Peter

Maybe I should have established it as a poll question Because few have directly chosen to answer either A or B. I realize that there are other options, but in simplified form: If Iraq goes well, it helps Bush. If Iraq deteriorates, it hurts Bush.

YOu are out of your mind thinking bush controls the media. If he did, his popularity would still be in the 80s. Fox News Network is the only obvious supporter of Bush. The other dozen or so networks all bash bush, show whats bad in Iraq and go about thier liberal agenda. Fox shows all kinds of schools being built, average Americans donating supplies to Iraqis. YOu just choose to hear what you want. Selective.

I wish Bush controlled the media. If he did, you and every liberal here and on the internet would be censored and blocked. It is true that a dictatorship is the most effective way to govern. Either way, your flawed thinking will contiue long after Iraq and this election.

An end to the war=success in Iraq.

Continuing the war=failure for everyone and capitalist exploitation.

Protesting the war=progresive action.

Supporting the war=youve been brainwashed into a right-wing drone.

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“Capitalism cannot reform itself; it is doomed to self-destruction. No universal selfishness can bring social good to all.” —Dr. W.E.B. Du Bois