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You know, now that I think about it, I probably do support more social regulations than strong civil libertarians, just as I support more economic regulations than laissez-faire capitalists. Plus, I've grown just as sick of the Left's crowing and hypocrisy now that it has the upper hand as I was of the Right's when it had the advantage. I'll remain a moderate libertarian and stay clear of the "wings".
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I should really stop taking your (*)(*)(*)(*)ed quizzes! I got Fascist! FASCIST?! Your quizzes are rigged...I think there's a conspiracy against me. Get me my Generals! I'm going to earn a reputation like this...

I took the 2nd one instead...

I suppose this is better...Southeast...I live near FDR...
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Libertarian - You believe that the main use for government is for some people to lord it over others at their expense. You maintain that the government should be as small as possible, and that civil liberties, "victimless crimes", and gun ownership should be basic rights. You probably are OK with capitalism. Your historical role model is Thomas Jefferson.


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That fits me very well, but I recognize that these are stereotypes and I would rather have a less cynical edge.
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I'm still Fascist...
And I'm still libertarian.
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And I'm still libertarian.
I never thought of you as a Libertarian...After all you're Christian. But it's just a political stereotype quiz.
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And I'm still libertarian.
I never thought of you as a Libertarian...After all you're Christian.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. Proper moral decisions are, by definition, voluntary. If I put a gun to a person's head and make them do something "good" (ultimately, governments control through the threat of lethal force), I haven't really improved them as a person. To me, government exists primarily to prevent us from coercing others, thereby making voluntary ethical progress possible.

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But it's just a political stereotype quiz.
That is true. This quiz exaggerates political leanings. I would call myself a libertarian-leaning moderate, since I tend to be pragmatic in my approach, so to a libertarian purist I am no doubt not a libertarian, just as you aren't a fascist and nawbut isn't a syndicalist. Incidentally, it is questionable whether Hitler was a fascist per se. I know that liberal socialists don't like seeing Hitler considered a socialist (albeit a national socialist), but he did implement employment-centered leftist economics and significantly lessen wealth inequality- at least among those he didn't murder. Mussolini and Franco, particularly the latter, were more capitalistic in their fiscal policies, which in no way excuses their crimes, of course.
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The two aren't mutually exclusive. Proper moral decisions are, by definition, voluntary. If I put a gun to a person's head and make them do something "good" (ultimately, governments control through the threat of lethal force), I haven't really improved them as a person. To me, government exists primarily to prevent us from coercing others, thereby making voluntary ethical progress possible.
That's true, however, from the perspective of most Christians. The government should loosely model laws in the Bible. Not like a Theocracy, but just a Christian base, maybe it's just me...


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That is true. This quiz exaggerates political leanings. I would call myself a libertarian-leaning moderate, since I tend to be pragmatic in my approach, so to a libertarian purist I am no doubt not a libertarian, just as you aren't a fascist and nawbut isn't a syndicalist. Incidentally, it is questionable whether Hitler was a fascist per se. I know that liberal socialists don't like seeing Hitler considered a socialist (albeit a national socialist), but he did implement employment-centered leftist economics and significantly lessen wealth inequality- at least among those he didn't murder. Mussolini and Franco, particularly the latter, were more capitalistic in their fiscal policies, which in no way excuses their crimes, of course.
That's what always confused me about Fascism. Because Mussolini and Franco and Pinochet seemed to favor the upper class, yes? And Hitler seemed like the one who wanted to help the poor Germans. Didn't view it so much as an economic or class difference between people, but more of a race distinction, maybe?
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And Hitler seemed like the one who wanted to help the poor Germans. Didn't view it so much as an economic or class difference between people, but more of a race distinction, maybe?
Exactly. Hitler didn't believe in the international class struggle that communists believe in, but he thought that Germans who agreed with him politically, weren't disabled, homosexual and so forth were entitled to share in the ill-gotten banquet of his conquests. That makes him a national socialist, while fascists like Mussolini believed in a much stronger degree of meritocracy.
So to Hitler, if they met his standards, a person was entitled to a job, good salary, pension and the like, while under fascists like Mussolini and Franco, merit superceded nationality in determining financial success, and while Mussolini may have been a protectionist, Franco embraced freer trade later in his rule. I haven't read much about Pinochet, but I gather he was in more or less the same mold as Mussolini and Franco. I don't know whether Pinochet was religious or not, but I know that Mussolini was personally secular while Franco was a devout Catholic. Hitler was a neo-pagan.
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I haven't read much about Pinochet, but I gather he was in more or less the same mold as Mussolini and Franco. I don't know whether Pinochet was religious or not, but I know that Mussolini was personally secular while Franco was a devout Catholic. Hitler was a neo-pagan.
Pinochet, I'm pretty sure was Catholic...

Franco and Pinochet both in a sense, kind of helped their country, you know? Preventing communist takeovers and stabilizing their countries. That doesn't really excuse them of all the people they've killed and tortured during their reign, but I just felt like throwing that out there.
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