Originally Posted by LordNurgle";p=&quot

And this in turn can be split in the personal freedoms and economic freedoms...

Originally Posted by johnnyC

while reviewing some of the tennants that the nazi party held, i came across some interesting information. it stated that "all citizens must possess equal rights and duties... no individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all... all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished... we demand a generous increase in old-age pensions... we demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople... we demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose... we demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race..."
i could go on and on about welfare, healthcare, education, etc., but the post is already getting long. i was always under the impression that nazis were a fringe right-wing organization, but the more i look at it, the closer it resembles communism. it is apparent that national socialism promoted the common good over individual good. this communalism is more a trait of socialism than of the right, or am i mistaken? if so, please explain the major difference.
-j

Originally Posted by lyghtningrod

One productive way to look at the differences is to see the similarities. Nazism, Socialism and Communism are all examples of Statism, which, at its simplest, says that the State owns you. They express it differently, clothe it in different rhetoric, but the end result is the loss of individual freedoms.

The opposite would be Classical Liberalism, now known in the US as libertarianism.

Put another way, some people feel they have the right to tell you how to live your life. Others just want to live their own life.

Originally Posted by SporkLord

Socialism (a la Marx) was supposed to be entirely secular, believing that all religions should be abolished. This 'hatred' of Jews that Marx supposedly had, is a rather unconvincing argument, it's not very well proven. I don't remember Marx promoting hatred of religions, more denouncing them. At least it never advocated eugenics, and ethnic cleansing. There was no racial superiority argument by Marx.

Nazism promoted 'Aryan' (which is an artificial term in itself) superiority, and the the purification of the German people. This meant the elimination of all undesirables, in a highly systematic manner. Religion was never suppressed, and the church remainned operational throughout Nazi Germany, there were even Nazi Priests.


The manner at which both responded to the 'question' was quite drastic. Marx proposed a secular state. Hilter proposed the endlösung.


Then you'll have trouble proving why other Fascists governments, and parties, not of all who had territorial disputes/demands with the USSR, hated the "judeo-bolshevik monster".

Nazism does not match Socialism as a political system.
Nazism does not match Socialism as an economic system.
So to speak, where's the beef?

Originally Posted by Guy Fawkes

Under Communism the State owns all business, under Nazism the State imposed heavy controls over Business. Leading one to believe they still have some freedoms.

Originally Posted by Agnapostate

In a legitimate communist society, there would be no state. A state is opposed to communism, and the Soviet Union was a state capitalist government. http://chomsky.info/articles/1986----.htm

Originally Posted by Guy Fawkes

now go take a look at Mussolini' Italy and Fascism. I've posted a list of common ideals and it's hard to refute the similarities between the Nazis and Progressives.

Woodrow Wilson is the Granddaddy of the Progressive movement with FDR and Bill Clinton taking up the rear. Mussolini had many of the same ideals as the Progressives. The Nazis are rightfully demonized for the Holocaust which takes most people away from their national socialist ideals. Had they not attempted to wipe out the Jews and others they would be a Democratic campaign commercial.