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Old 05-16-2008, 01:29 PM
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We are going to have to agree to disagree then because I think my argument fully answered every single question you had. No offense but I think you are looking for ways to disagree rather than trusting us to give you a correct answer.
Sorry, but you answered nothing. You simply claimed that the people of the US were somehow fundamentally different from other people everywhere, and this despite the US still being a land of immigrants, just left it at that. Where is your sanity, sorry, your evidence?
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We may not have answered it 100% accurately, there may be more to it.....However we gave you a general feeling of what goes on here in the U.S. and what our mindset and culture is like. I also explained (somewhat) our voting procedures and also pointed out that 3rd parties are also on almost every ballot.
Yes, you mused a lot on your proposition that people in the US were magically different from people living elsewhere, but you failed to provide any evidence of this.
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It seems to me...and again no offense meant with this because I like you, but it seems to me that you are simply looking for something negative and sinister in our system that you can ultimately criticize.
I won't deny this charge, for many reasons, but it doesn't change the facts or the point I'm raising.
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If im wrong in that assesment then by all means let me know, it certainly wouldn't be the first time lol. I guess I should ask though...What do YOU think is the reason we dont have more than 2 relevant parties in our system??
It it first and foremost because you have the first-past-the-post" system, which I have previously shown to tend to seriously reduce the number of viable parties, usually to as low as two or three. It is secondly because various local election laws make it harder for new parties to emerge.
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:35 AM
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Sorry, but you answered nothing. You simply claimed that the people of the US were somehow fundamentally different from other people everywhere, and this despite the US still being a land of immigrants, just left it at that. Where is your sanity, sorry, your evidence?
My evidence is based on the fact that every single time I have ever voted there have been numerous 3rd party candidates on the ballot and yet they never win. I live in THE single most Republican state in the entire U.S. and yet 3rd party candidates always find their way onto every single ballot.

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Yes, you mused a lot on your proposition that people in the US were magically different from people living elsewhere, but you failed to provide any evidence of this.
You are misquoting me here based again on your very apparent dislike of the U.S. I said ALL people are different. I dont know how much traveling you have done to other nations, but ive been all over the place and we ARE very different in most every part of the world. It is just different cultures. Americans as a majority support a Capitalist system, that in essence means that we support competition. However no I cannot "prove" that Americans feel the way about elections as I am claiming. I simply know it to be true because I actually live here and talk to people, listen to them on the news, watch debates, read the newspaper etc etc. However I cant find an actual study that shows that Americans generally are happy with the two party system so therefore I wont press it any further....Especially since I can imagine the way this debate is going that you would just refute the study anyways because its not what YOU want to believe about the U.S.



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It it first and foremost because you have the first-past-the-post" system, which I have previously shown to tend to seriously reduce the number of viable parties, usually to as low as two or three. It is secondly because various local election laws make it harder for new parties to emerge.
Wiki isnt the best source, however let me touch on this.

For a 3rd party candidate to get on a ballot they have to have a certain amount of money and a certain amount of signatures. This is done simply to ensure that you have serious candidates running and also so that its someone who actually has a viable chance at winning, or at least being competitive.

I know for local elections the amount of signatures is pretty minimal. It may seem like alot but all it takes is some effort and talking to people and you can get the signatures. Clearly its not very hard since every single ballot I have ever filled out has had numerous 3rd party candidates on it. Ive seen Libertarians, Green Party, Constitution Party, Communist Party etc etc, on every single ballot I have ever filled out.

And every single time they get a few percent of the vote because nobody cares to vote for them.
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:28 AM
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My evidence is based on the fact that every single time I have ever voted there have been numerous 3rd party candidates on the ballot and yet they never win. I live in THE single most Republican state in the entire U.S. and yet 3rd party candidates always find their way onto every single ballot.
Yes, I have no doubt, but as I said quite a number of times, they are not viable parties. And they are not viable because in the US system it requires a majority of votes to get elected, not just say 5% of the vote, and everybody knows that the majority of voters are focused on the banal fight between the only two viable parties and will vote for only one or the other of those.
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You are misquoting me here based again on your very apparent dislike of the U.S. I said ALL people are different. I dont know how much traveling you have done to other nations, but ive been all over the place and we ARE very different in most every part of the world. It is just different cultures. Americans as a majority support a Capitalist system, that in essence means that we support competition. However no I cannot "prove" that Americans feel the way about elections as I am claiming. I simply know it to be true because I actually live here and talk to people, listen to them on the news, watch debates, read the newspaper etc etc. However I cant find an actual study that shows that Americans generally are happy with the two party system so therefore I wont press it any further....Especially since I can imagine the way this debate is going that you would just refute the study anyways because its not what YOU want to believe about the U.S.
Unbelievable. You claim to have traveled a lot and yet you apparently know nothing at all about other forms of Democracy than the US version.The UK, the US and Jamaica have the same firt-past-the-post type of democracy, and all three countries only have two viable parties to choose from. It has zip to do with their culture and everything to do with their impovershed version of Democracy.
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Wiki isnt the best source, however let me touch on this.

For a 3rd party candidate to get on a ballot they have to have a certain amount of money and a certain amount of signatures. This is done simply to ensure that you have serious candidates running and also so that its someone who actually has a viable chance at winning, or at least being competitive.

I know for local elections the amount of signatures is pretty minimal. It may seem like alot but all it takes is some effort and talking to people and you can get the signatures. Clearly its not very hard since every single ballot I have ever filled out has had numerous 3rd party candidates on it. Ive seen Libertarians, Green Party, Constitution Party, Communist Party etc etc, on every single ballot I have ever filled out.

And every single time they get a few percent of the vote because nobody cares to vote for them.
Yes, I too now suspect that although encumbants get to redefine the borders of their constituinces and similar "favoring-of-the-encumbant" type electoral laws, it is the basic first-past-the-gate law which is the main cause of the US being stuck in the hole it is.
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Because we have a lot of blacks here.
Thank goodness you banned a racist idiot like this from the board!!
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Thank goodness you banned a racist idiot like this from the board!!
BillyBob was banned?

I feel very badly about this. Could someone confirm that he was banned and furthermore relay any reason given by the Admins for their terrible decision.
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