Libertarian Objectivist differences - Page 2

SpankyTheWhale · #11 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnyside

I kinda figured the two groups would be fairly aligned.

Turns out the Objectivists really dislike Libertarians and their philosophy.

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServ...ism_FAQ#obj_q3
http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServ...vism_sanctions (scroll down just a bit on this one).

Still it's a little unclear what the real differences are.

I know we have a pile of Libertarians here, and we at least had a bunch of Objectivists. Anyone care to elaborate on the differences and whys of this?

At first glance it would seem to be that the Libertarians took the "rational" out of rational self-interest.

I think it has to do with the idea of altruism. Objectivists hate it. Libertarians are more free about it.

DanishDynamite · #12 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SpankyTheWhale

I think it has to do with the idea of altruism. Objectivists hate it. Libertarians are more free about it.

I think it has more to do with the objectivists being rationailsts and the Libertarians being irrationalists. Almost a sect.

SpankyTheWhale · #13 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DanishDynamite

I think it has more to do with the objectivists being rationailsts and the Libertarians being irrationalists. Almost a sect.

Since when is Libertarianism the one that's a sect and Objectivism is the one that is NOT?

DanishDynamite · #14 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SpankyTheWhale

Since when is Libertarianism the one that's a sect and Objectivism is the one that is NOT?

Sorry. I wasn't really sure what Objectivism was. I've now looked it up and it seems as much a cult as Libertarianism is.

sunnyside · #15 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DanishDynamite

I think it has more to do with the objectivists being rationailsts and the Libertarians being irrationalists. Almost a sect.

Actually there is something to that.

Objectivists are cultish, but one thing they don't have is faith. Not needing it as they don't propose any political system. In short they only seek to tear down other things not build anything up, and so don't risk any of the utopists blind faith issues.

Libertarians however do. Many have a degree of faith in a totally unregulated free market that it would make most cultists go, geez, those guys are really out there. Either that or they're being disengenious in that they don't actually believe in the wellspring of generous giving by the rich to the poor if they aren't taxed or the benevolence of monopolies they simply belive their policies will put them in the position of the wealthy monopolist.

DanishDynamite · #16 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnyside

Actually there is something to that.

Objectivists are cultish, but one thing they don't have is faith. Not needing it as they don't propose any political system. In short they only seek to tear down other things not build anything up, and so don't risk any of the utopists blind faith issues.

Libertarians however do. Many have a degree of faith in a totally unregulated free market that it would make most cultists go, geez, those guys are really out there. Either that or they're being disengenious in that they don't actually believe in the wellspring of generous giving by the rich to the poor if they aren't taxed or the benevolence of monopolies they simply belive their policies will put them in the position of the wealthy monopolist.

Yep, they are both really out there. Almost indestinguishable from pure woo-woo.

SpankyTheWhale · #17 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnyside

Actually there is something to that.

Objectivists are cultish, but one thing they don't have is faith. Not needing it as they don't propose any political system. In short they only seek to tear down other things not build anything up, and so don't risk any of the utopists blind faith issues.

Libertarians however do. Many have a degree of faith in a totally unregulated free market that it would make most cultists go, geez, those guys are really out there. Either that or they're being disengenious in that they don't actually believe in the wellspring of generous giving by the rich to the poor if they aren't taxed or the benevolence of monopolies they simply belive their policies will put them in the position of the wealthy monopolist.

Objectivists have plenty of faith. They just talk a good game to disguise it.

sunnyside · #18 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SpankyTheWhale

Objectivists have plenty of faith. They just talk a good game to disguise it.

Faith in what? I thought their whole thing was that they pretty much didn't have faith in anything unless you could smack them in the face with it.

Though I suppose their atheism may sometimes slip from sceptical agnosticism to evangelical atheist.

SpankyTheWhale · #19 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnyside

Faith in what? I thought their whole thing was that they pretty much didn't have faith in anything unless you could smack them in the face with it.

Though I suppose their atheism may sometimes slip from sceptical agnosticism to evangelical atheist.

I meant, faith in the same free market system the Libertarians have faith in, if you want to call it faith.

Giorgio · #20 (**permalink**) 06-24-2008, 04:32 AM

This is what objectivists look like. Have you not played Bioshock?

Objectivists have hook for hands!

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