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I don't even know what his name means, or how to say it, lol.
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I don't even know what his name means, or how to say it, lol.
Whose? Mine?
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He got it from the commonly used title "Augustus" that was used after the death of Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus, the First Emperor of Rome who was awarded the title Augustus. It means something along the lines of "the venerable" or something of the sort, and I believe it's literally translated into like... "the builder of bridges" or something of the sort. After the death of the first Augustus, Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus (not Gaius Julius Caesar, the Roman dictator, but his nephew) the titles "Caesar" and "Augustus" were adopted by all subsequent Roman Emperors. Caesar was later even interpreted to the Head of State titles of "Kaiser" and "Czar".

Germanicus was an honorific agnomen bestowed on certain men by the Roman Senate, more specifically the Censor, I believe, for victories in the region of Germania. His name is likely modeled off of the most famous instance of a "Augustus Germanicus", which was Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus... More famously known as the "mad" Roman Emperor Caligula. Caligula was simply a nickname that was given to him which literally means "little boots", his real name was Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus... The Gaius Julius Caesar was because he was a relative of Gaius Julius Caesar, and a member of the Julio-Claudian Dynasty of Roman Emperors. The Germanicus was a name inherited from his father, Nero Claudius Drusus, who was a famous Roman General who did all of the campaigning in Germania to earn that name. He was never Emperor, just a famous Roman general who commanded the Roman legions in Germania after the death of Augustus. Because of his successful campaign, his name went from Nero Claudius Drusus to Germanicus Julius Caesar... And thus his son inherited the title.
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He got it from the commonly used title "Augustus" that was used after the death of Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus, the First Emperor of Rome who was awarded the title Augustus. It means something along the lines of "the venerable" or something of the sort, and I believe it's literally translated into like... "the builder of bridges" or something of the sort. After the death of the first Augustus, Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus (not Gaius Julius Caesar, the Roman dictator, but his nephew) the titles "Caesar" and "Augustus" were adopted by all subsequent Roman Emperors. Caesar was later even interpreted to the Head of State titles of "Kaiser" and "Czar".

Germanicus was an honorific agnomen bestowed on certain men by the Roman Senate, more specifically the Censor, I believe, for victories in the region of Germania. His name is likely modeled off of the most famous instance of a "Augustus Germanicus", which was Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus... More famously known as the "mad" Roman Emperor Caligula. Caligula was simply a nickname that was given to him which literally means "little boots", his real name was Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus... The Gaius Julius Caesar was because he was a relative of Gaius Julius Caesar, and a member of the Julio-Claudian Dynasty of Roman Emperors. The Germanicus was a name inherited from his father, Nero Claudius Drusus, who was a famous Roman General who did all of the campaigning in Germania to earn that name. He was never Emperor, just a famous Roman general who commanded the Roman legions in Germania after the death of Augustus. Because of his successful campaign, his name went from Nero Claudius Drusus to Germanicus Julius Caesar... And thus his son inherited the title.
hmmm, but where does the Dante come from?

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Augustus was added later. GaiusCaesarGermanica was his birth name, wasn't it? I've seen it with the Julius inserted.

poor little caligula ...history has been so unfair to him.
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He's part of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. The Julio-Claudians weren't the Caesarii, as in the wasn't their "last name"... Gaius Julius Caesar was actually Gaius of the Julii, Caesar. Caesar was an added name meaning... thin hair or blond or something of the sort. The name was inherited by members of the Imperial Family, and used as an honorific title for all successive Emperors, like Augustus. So the Julius could be included, either way he's part of the Julio-Claudians.

Caligula happened to receive the full name Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus. Not Germanica, Germanica would be female.

As for Dante... I assume it's based off of Dante Alighieri, the author of The Divine Comedy and such. Who, as a fun fact, is often depicted in a diadem of oak (?) leaves, which was worn commonly by Roman Emperors during ceremonial occasions.
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He's part of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. The Julio-Claudians weren't the Caesarii, as in the wasn't their "last name"... Gaius Julius Caesar was actually Gaius of the Julii, Caesar. Caesar was an added name meaning... thin hair or blond or something of the sort. The name was inherited by members of the Imperial Family, and used as an honorific title for all successive Emperors, like Augustus. So the Julius could be included, either way he's part of the Julio-Claudians.

Caligula happened to receive the full name Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus. Not Germanica, Germanica would be female.
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As for Dante... I assume it's based off of Dante Alighieri, the author of The Divine Comedy and such. Who, as a fun fact, is often depicted in a diadem of oak (?) leaves, which was worn commonly by Roman Emperors during ceremonial occasions.
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good post man!

As a matter of fact Dante is a dog who had his name changed to that when he was adopted at 10 months old. A very famous table top book of images of the Dante's Inferno was on the table when the pooch was needing a new name.

Dante is often portrayed with that diadem. Who is he well known with/always with in bust? (The MFA has a great bust of them.)
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E Pluribus Unum?

psshhhhhh

I'd poison the one.
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This one I'm not entirely sure of, so please do correct me if I'm wrong... It would make the most sense to me if he was found in depiction with Virgil. Though I've honestly never seen a bust or anything of the like with the two of them together... I believe the only one I've ever seen with my own eyes that isn't just Dante alone was in Florence, and he's with two women.
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This one I'm not entirely sure of, so please do correct me if I'm wrong... It would make the most sense to me if he was found in depiction with Virgil. Though I've honestly never seen a bust or anything of the like with the two of them together... I believe the only one I've ever seen with my own eyes that isn't just Dante alone was in Florence, and he's with two women.
The bust with Dante and Virgil is in the MFA in Boston. It is a wonderful piece of work.

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French, modeled 1861; cast 1862
Baron Henri de Triqueti, French, 1804–1874
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90 x 86 x 64 cm (35 7/16 x 33 7/8 x 25 3/16 in.)
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Inscriptions: Signed and dated, back right: H. de triqueti 1861; foundry mark and date, back left: F. BARBEDIENNE, fondeur paris 1862; Inscribed on scroll (from Dante's "Purgatory," canto I): Liberate/va cercando/che/si cara ("He who goes seeking freedom which is so dear")

Classification: Sculpture

On view in the: European Gallery

Half length figures of Dante and Virgil. Modeled 1861, cast 1862.

Museum of Fine Arts, Boston

Gift of Mrs. Edward Lee Childe, 1876
Accession number: 76.5

Provenance/Ownership History: Please note: The history of ownership is not definitive or comprehensive, as it is under constant review and revision by MFA curators and researchers. The information in this file is being reviewed and will be corrected and updated as research progresses.

Until 1874, in the possession of the artist; 1874, by inheritance to the artist's daughter, Mrs. Edward Lee Childe, Paris, France; 1876, gift of Mrs. Edward Lee Childe. (Accession date: January 7, 1876)

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