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Old 05-09-2005, 12:38 PM
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Default Any communist should read Ayn Rand

I know they will get sick when they hear words like "self" and "money" and "Capitalism", but she is by far one of the greatest thinkers of the last century. Her work definately shows why communism does not work... by the way, she speaks from experience, as she grew up in the former Soviet Union.
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Rand is a fiction writer, and as such her works shouldn't be considered valuable for any science, such as economics.
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Rand is a fiction writer, and as such her works shouldn't be considered valuable for any science, such as economics.
but she is also a philsopher as well. She has written a number of essays and books on capitalism, and has also condemned communism (she grew up in the former Soviet Union). By the way, she had plenty of experience in the business world. Why would she be less qualified to talk about capitalism than Marx was to talk about socialism (when he himself was never a "worker"?)
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but she is also a philsopher as well.
Right, not an economist. As a philosopher, her works are valuable, but economics is a hard science that fiction has no place in.

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She has written a number of essays and books on capitalism,
If you specifically meant her nonfiction works, you should have said that. She wrote far more fiction than nonfiction, and therefore is considered a fiction writer.

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By the way, she had plenty of experience in the business world. Why would she be less qualified to talk about capitalism than Marx was to talk about socialism (when he himself was never a "worker"?)
She wasn't less qualified, it's just that she wrote fiction, which isn't acceptable as far as hard sciences go. Her books are valuable to the philosophy of Objectivism, but not to the science of economics, with the exception of her nonfiction on the matter.
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And I was refering to her nonfiction works, such as "Capitalism: the unknown ideal" and the like. She deals quite a bit with economics, and she is just as qualified to do so as Karl Marx was.
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Then you should have specified that you meant her nonfiction.
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Then you should have specified that you meant her nonfiction.
I thought that was pretty obvious.
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Not really. You recommended reading Ayn Rand, yet Ayn Rand is considered to be a fiction writer, and her fiction outnumbers her nonfiction 10 to 1.
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Not really. You recommended reading Ayn Rand, yet Ayn Rand is considered to be a fiction writer, and her fiction outnumbers her nonfiction 10 to 1.
well at least we have an understanding now. let's move on.
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AHAHAHAHA!!!!! The capitalist worms have been cornered. Good work comrades, the bourgousie cant make any come-backs.
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