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Old 06-02-2008, 07:36 AM
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Communism hasn't worked because it's been so muddled by every practitioner of it. The Soviet Union was obviously too militarized, too totalitarian, not economically Utopian enough. Sure, Communism is all well and good until people finally begin to realize it's not getting any better, you're stuck with crappy conditions and you're going to like it. The People's Republic of China (hahaha, Republic? Whaaaat?) is turning Capitalist, the economy of Communism is too restricting.

Human instinct drives us against the principles of Communism. We can't all be completely equal, because we're too greedy.
Not greedy! We want to produce and provide for our family. Money is a motivating factor because in a Capitalistic society it shows accomplishment. I work hard, provide better for my family. That is all I want, I want my success to bring them success and my failure to cause me to get back up. What incentive do I have to succeed if it doesn't matter?
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Communism sucks.. its been tried again and again and all it does is fail! People love to say 'oow we can't do it because were all to greedy! boo hoo!' thats not the reason at all! people hate communism because they also hate living in (*)(*)(*)(*)ty, disease filled poverty! It sucks, love doesn't make the world go round money does learn to live with it!
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I'm not saying greed is a bad thing... Perhaps it was bad wording on my part... Communism doesn't work because it's human instinct to... survive in the best standards possible?
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I get to be the Ambassador of Booze. I will oversee and taste test all alcohol 80 proof and above before it can be sold to liberal masses. We will keep the good stuff and let the libs drink low quality canadian whiskey.
Can I be the Commissioner of Pizza in the new dictatorship?

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Can I be the Commissioner of Pizza in the new dictatorship?
You will have to apply with our new ruler BillyBob, but I could see that as a valuable position.
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Umm... You guys can have that... As long as I get General Secretary of the Communist Party of the United States's Central Committee...
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Umm... You guys can have that... As long as I get General Secretary of the Communist Party of the United States's Central Committee...
I call General Secretary of the Western Hemisphere.

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Then I call promotion! General Secretary of the World... (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).
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Then I call promotion! General Secretary of the World... (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).
But that would be BillyBob. You can have the Eastern Hemisphere, I guess...

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Why do you say communism has never worked?
Back to the original question The original idea has kinda been beasted, but anyway

Marx saw that the advent of ‘Communism’ must be preceded by human emancipation, therefor a true community would not require man to accept alien powers, but only to exercise his natural ones. In his early writings he wrote “Human emancipation will only be complete when the real individual man has absorbed into himself the abstract citizen; when as an individual man, in his everyday life, in his work, and in his relationships, he has become a species-being; and when he has recognised and organised his own powers (forces propres) as social powers so that he no longer separates this social power from himself as political power.”

This concept of human emancipation has proved the stumbling block for Marxism. The image created by various propaganda machines over the years has been of an enthusiastic population, keen to bring about the ‘ideal society’. In reality however, the theoretical position of like-mindedness and total harmony, has never been reached, not even in the oldest communist countries.

If it had worked why did Solidarity and Charter 77 exist? why do ppl leave Cuba for the U.S?

Perhaps the vague part of Marx’s writing s was how the change from feudalism to communism would occur, we know that in the Paris ‘critique’ he stated that the working class were destined to lead mankind to the ‘good society’ as he called it. The collapse of capitalism has always been seen as a sudden event, but the implications by Marx was that of a slow revolution moving through several epochs until transformation could be complete.

In reality with the breakdown of class structure and the advent of sufferage, the working class have no real reason to revolt.

Funnily enough the U.S system is probably closer to the original concepts of communism than Mao Zedong thought.
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