Reverse Discrimination at Duke? - Page 17

superbadbrutha · #**161** (**permalink**) 04-18-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinanju";p=&quot

"has anyone mentioned yet how this conversation would change if if the races of the alleged rapists and the victim were switched?"

Only you and every other race monger on the board.

It's old hat. It's Fonzie jumping the shark. It's "Joey". It's "AfterMASH".

We are bored with you.

"Whaddya mean 'we', Paleface?" (From an old Lone Ranger joke my dad told me a long time ago.)

I am simply trying to keep REAL discussion alive; if that equals "race-monger" in your head, so be it. Not talking about race/race-related issues will not make them go away. Race is the proverbial elephant in the middle of the American living room that few Whites want to admit exists-- because if they do, that means that they have to acknowledge that, although things are better (and yes, I DO believe that things are better), the system was unfairly established and certain elements of that system are still affecting us today.

And if you think YOU'RE tired of the discussions, try being a "minority" and having to justify yourself every single day...

I love the folks that say "I don't see race." Sure you do. Hypothetical scenario: my cousin walks into a room, picks up a purse, and walks out with it, AND we are all there to witness it. When the police come and ask, "What did the thief look like?", the answer is not going to be, "He is a tallish, well-built, handsome, non-descript male with a beautiful smile..." (except from anyone but me.) The response is going to be, "He's a big, Black man." If you see his race when he's a thief, then you see his race when he's a father, a minister, a police officer, or a lawyer. The important thing is not that you acknowledge that you see a difference; it's your reaction to that difference that matters.

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Do you think it's OK for the enitre team to be vilified for the alleged actions of 3 of them? I don't. I don't see why you think my opinion would be different if the colors of skin were reversed.

No, I don't think it's OK for the whole team to be vilified. But unfortunately, that is usually what happens when one member of an established group (allegedly) misbehaves-- the worst is thought of everyone afiliated with that group based on the actions of one or a few individuals. Fortunately, it hasn't been extrapolated to entire segments of the population and not just the team... yet...

And I don't think YOUR opinion would be different. But there are those on this board whose reactions (I believe) would be totally opposite if my scenario were true.

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You were touting the team members arrest records. Do you have any idea if the stripper has one?

I just posted that two guys were arrested; I don't know whether or not they have priors. Do you have me confused with someone else?

I agree, race always plays a major role in issues in this country and those that try to deny it does have their heads in the sand. I was listening to one of the young mens' father on Good Morning America and he was talking about how they thought that once the DNA came back this would be all over. Now you understand the pain that black fathers and mothers have been going through for years in this country when they have had to watch their young sons go to prison for a crime they no they didn't commit. Unfortunately, there are still two justice systems in this country, one white, one black, separate and unequal. Peace.

Sinanju · #**162** (**permalink**) 04-18-2006, 10:46 AM

"I am simply trying to keep REAL discussion alive"

Then perhaps you should read the thread before putting your two bits in it, Radar.

And did I EVER say that I didn't see race?

No, I didn't.

But I DO see race mongers.

Sinanju · #**163** (**permalink**) 04-18-2006, 10:47 AM

"Now you understand the pain that black fathers and mothers have been going through for years in this country when they have had to watch their young sons go to prison for a crime they no they didn't commit."

So..

It's a vengeance thing for you.

Gotta get back at 'whitey' ehh?

superbadbrutha · #**164** (**permalink**) 04-18-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinanju";p=&quot

"Now you understand the pain that black fathers and mothers have been going through for years in this country when they have had to watch their young sons go to prison for a crime they no they didn't commit."

So..

It's a vengeance thing for you.

Gotta get back at 'whitey' ehh?

Tell u what study the history of the Justice System in this country and u might be alittle surprised what u find out. Peace.

Sinanju · #**165** (**permalink**) 04-18-2006, 10:54 AM

"Tell u what study the history of the Justice System in this country and u might be alittle surprised what u find out."

>>So, it IS about vengeance? Excellent. Glad we cleared that up.

"Peace."

>>You keep saying this... Are you being ironic?

Peaceful people would not be trafficking in vengeance, now would they?

Rebellion · #**166** (**permalink**) 04-18-2006, 11:47 AM

is skewed against the poor, not against a race. It just happens that more blacks are poor (proportionally speaking).

JavaBlack · #**167** (**permalink**) 04-18-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebellion";p=&quot

is skewed against the poor, not against a race. It just happens that more blacks are poor (proportionally speaking).

I agree with that one.
And urban poverty also leads to racial tension... which creates more of a perception that it is about race.

Rebellion · #**168** (**permalink**) 04-18-2006, 11:59 AM

courts...if you are OJ or Von Bulow you can get off on something that no gang member could ever hope to. Now I think that is a good thing, no one should get away with murder. But if you have enough money you can buy enough "evidence" to hoodwink jurors. Unfortunately where it really hurts is lower level crimes. I've seen people screwed over for public urination charges requiring jail time and sex offender registries simply because their public defender was horrible. Whereas someone with a good attorney gets a fine and 30 days probation. This actually happened in AZ. I'd like to see some reform to even things out a little.

JavaBlack · #**169** (**permalink**) 04-18-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebellion";p=&quot

courts...if you are OJ or Von Bulow you can get off on something that no gang member could ever hope to. Now I think that is a good thing, no one should get away with murder. But if you have enough money you can buy enough "evidence" to hoodwink jurors. Unfortunately where it really hurts is lower level crimes. I've seen people screwed over for public urination charges requiring jail time and sex offender registries simply because their public defender was horrible. Whereas someone with a good attorney gets a fine and 30 days probation. This actually happened in AZ. I'd like to see some reform to even things out a little.

I've heard horror stories of public defenders urging poor people to plea bargain before even looking at the evidence, even when the client claims innocemce. Have you seen anything like that, Rebellion?

Beagle66 · #**170** (**permalink**) 04-18-2006, 12:08 PM

Do you really think that people who deny race is a problem where people merely have their heads in the sand?

I don't. I think they know exactly what they're doing which is denying racism (i.e. overt racism such as lynchings) while knowing all along that unspoken bigotry can be practiced wholesale so long as it's under a subterfuge of "there is no racism problem in America". It's a KNOWING lie. They repeat it ad infinitum hoping that enough people will buy into it and then they can merrily go along their racists ways undisturbed by anyone who claims the APPEARANCE of racist attitudes is ACTUAL racism.

I see it in here every single day that I'm here (which thank goodness for me, lately, hasn't been that often).

Re: the matter of the Duke LaCrosse players:

First, the defense spin doctors hired by the rich white LaCrosse players actually claimed that no DNA evidence matched their clients. Since when can you ever remember have the police released evidence to attorneys PRIOR to criminal charges being filed? NEVER. It's just not done. The attorneys are making up lies to try to spin the players innocence.

Second, you must understand that the Raleigh-Durham PA operates for the people who live in Raleigh-Durham, and those people have been aghast that a rape (or alleged rape) could occur and it would take the police more than 3 weeks to arrest the alleged perpetrators. Note any other rape in the country and no matter what the circumstances of the victim you can bet the suspects where arrested and taken off the streets within days and certainly not after weeks. This is not to mention that the police did not corridone off the crime site immediately (took them 3 days, 3 days for those nice young athletes to clean up the site knowing that allegations had been made against them -- and how intelligent are these college students to leave behind such a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing email message?).

Finally, I prefer to let the justice system do its work. Let a judge and jury decide and not the ill-informed people in here who have already decided the case based on nothing but conjecture.

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