Reverse Discrimination at Duke? - Page 21

heikstheo · #**201** (**permalink**) 04-20-2006, 03:43 AM

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Seems to me one hell of a long shot that a woman could be beaten and raped by THREE men yet have no DNA on her at all. The defense even has evidence she was injured prior to that day. This one looks like a fairy tale.

In the end, all that will matter is what the jury can be made to believe. And, remember that statistic from earlier on this thread, there is no DNA evidence in 80% of rape cases.

heikstheo · #**202** (**permalink**) 04-20-2006, 03:46 AM

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"It's fun disproving ignorance. "

Like as if you ought to be trusted to be the great white hope in the matter of disproving ignorance?

heikstheo · #**203** (**permalink**) 04-20-2006, 03:56 AM

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If you were on a jury and all you had was a prostitute's (OK, "escort's") word for it and evidence of vaginal/groin injury prior to arriving at the house, would you convict? If so, on what basis?

In that case, the issue would come down to credibility of the witnesses. Are you suggesting that I inherently ought to put more stock in the words of a bunch of drunken rich white frat boys than I would to the words of a professional sex worker's? Why?

heikstheo · #**204** (**permalink**) 04-20-2006, 04:16 AM

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As I said, Im sure the DA isn't putting all his cards out on the table, there is probably evidence he isnt releasing to the public till trial time if he has more, and we will have to wait till then to see.

1. We will know before that, likely. He has to share whatever he has with the defense, who will blab. I'm guessing no trial ever takes place, but we'll see.

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Prosititue? Bad form. If you want to discuss facts, Im your girl, but name calling is irrelevant to what happened, as is your opinion of her job, cause guess what, prositutes get raped too.

2. Her job is relevant here. The fact she likely has sex way more often than most women makes the evidence less (*)(*)(*)(*)ing. In other words, one would expect a cheap prostitute to show evidence of having had rough sex even if no rape ever occurred. So when the nurse said her injuries were consistent with rape she is right. But they are also consistent with being a two bit whore. And since no DNA was ever found.......

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I'm curious, how do we know that the vagina/groin injuries occurred before she got to the house?

3. The defense says they have evidence of such. Can't tell you whether they really do. But lying about it seems odd.

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Is it strange no evidence was left? how do we know no evidence is left?

4. No PHYSICAL evidence was found. And yes, that is incredibly strange. How do you suppose three guys beat and rape someone without leaving any physical evidence? Even pros can't pull that off.

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Where or the pics of the bruises? The ones she had BEFORE and the ones she had AFTER the incident? Have they been released yet?

5. Not yet. But bruises don't mean rape.

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There are way too many unanswered questions here to already declare the case closed. Lets see if more will be released, get the full story, and then decide.

6. Agreed. But the biggest unanswered question is how a triple rape occurred with no physical evidence of any kind.

1. Yes, defense will file motion for discovery. Yes, prosecutor will have to turn over evidence to defense. But prosecutor doesn't have to tell the general public about it. And prosecutor can wait till the last possible minute. We shall see.

2. G..d...it, a woman's profession and prior sexual history are utterly irrelevant to the question of whether she was raped. Even if a woman has had sex with one man and one woman every night and every morning of her life since her twelfth birthday and with never the same partner twice, even that checkered a past does not mean that she forfeits the right to file a rape charge. Even if she has had consensual sex with one or more of the perps many times before, or even if she had had an actual long-term sexual relationship with one or more of them, that does not give these clowns any property rights in her vagina.

3. For a rapist's shyster to lie seems odd? LOL.

4. DNA got washed down the drain after the rape. Rapists cleaned up broken off piece of fingernail before cops got there.

5. The bruise are consistent with rape. Since you insist on playing rapist's shyster, it is your job as defense attorney to explain something else that those bruises could mean.

6. See number 4, above.

heikstheo · #**205** (**permalink**) 04-20-2006, 04:28 AM

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...it goes in whatever direction it's idiotic perpetrators send it.

"There is no such thing as reverse racism..."

Says who?

Of course there is. There are plenty of blacks who hate all whites just because they are white.

You seem to be missing the whole point. The idea that there is no such thing as reverse racism means that there is racism and racism only, no matter which direction said morons point their racism. The idea that there is reverse racism assumes that there is a correct direction to point your racism (from white folks toward darker complected individuals) and an incorrect direction to point your racism (from darker completed individuals toward white white folks). The fact that some white dudes would even think up the half-baked concept of reberse racism is racist in and of itself. Racism is racism, pure and simple, regardless of the complection of the perpetrators or the objects of said racism. Nuff said?

stekim · #**206** (**permalink**) 04-20-2006, 04:33 AM

There is no evidence of any rape. In fact, EVERYTHING that has come out to date, except her word, goes totally against her story. And since the evidence we have in no way supports her version of events I can't exactly take her at her word. If she's not lying, let's see some evidence.

The12thMan · #**207** (**permalink**) 04-20-2006, 04:42 AM

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Raped for a half-hour and no DNA?

Well, for starters, a woman's first inclination after being raped is to wash her rapist out of herself. This has the unfortunate by-product of destroying perfectly good evidence. The first thing any woman should do after being raped, if she can remember to do so, is get a small plastic sandwich baggie, a piece of paper, a pen, and a Q-tip, then stick said Q-tip inside herself, get a sample of her rapist, then write the words "rape sample" and sign and date the piece of paper and stick the Q-tip and the piece of paper in the baggie and hand it over to the police. Did they have enough common sense to swab all of the possible portals of entry? No DNA under the broken fingernails? How long did the lacrosse players have in which to clean the evidence off of that? Raped thirty minutes? By, what, twenty lacrosse players? That should give each of those stupid little boys one and a half minutes ... not unlikely. And, of course, there is always the issue that the first legal defense in a rape case is for the rapist's shyster to mysogynistically paint the woman as "a certain type of girl," i.e., one who supposedly "can't be raped." Likewise, not only will the woman be mentally raped all over again by the rapist's shyster, the cops will normally do that to her as well. Which is why only about 10% of rape victims will even report it to the cops and only 10% of those will eventually get convicted. In short, only about 1% of actual rapes end up in conviction. As for false accusations of rape, only about 3% of reported rapes (that is, 3% of the 10% that get reported to the police, or 0.3% of the total) are false accusations. The most likely scenario for going to jail on a false rape charge is the poor b*st*rd who actually has to rely on a public defender who will likely just lead him and plead him, not these spoiled little rich white boys whose daddies will hire them a bunch of dream team shysters. Oy vey!

The timeline would seem to indicate that she did not wash up. One would have to assume that they did swab all portals of entry - that's their job. She said there were 3 rapists, not 20. The DA will have to show evidence that her several broken fingernails were cleaned and put back in the bathroom. No one has suggested that a "woman of ill repute" can't be raped. I find it amazing how many hoops you're willing to jump through to find them guilty.

The12thMan · #**208** (**permalink**) 04-20-2006, 04:48 AM

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Not innocent little school boys? Guys get drunk at college parties all the time. Now we're going to use that to support an alleged rape?

12th: The combination of alcohol and rape plays itself out at trial in the following ways. First, if the (male) rapist was drunk, the rapist's shyster will try to get the jury to believe that that makes him less responsible because he supposedly didn't know what the heck he was doing, while if the (female) rape victim was drunk, the rapist's shyster will try to get the jury to believe that she was "a certain type of girl" and that she was somehow "asking for it." And juries usually fall for that sort of male bovine fecal material. And, quite frankly, this sort of garbage makes me angry.

You're not following the conversation. My post was in response to a post implying that since the lacrosse team has some arrests for things like public urination, that makes them more likely to be guilty. No one has suggested that drunkenness itself is exculpatory. For there to be a defense such as this, there has to be evidence of the crime occurring in the first place.

heikstheo · #**209** (**permalink**) 04-20-2006, 04:48 AM

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Why limit Affirmative Action to race?

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Reverse discrimination is real. I don't know why y'all can't understand. Affirmative action is reverse racism. It's not anti-white, it's pro-minority. It's not fair, but it's not racism. A person can be for AA and not be a racist.

White females have been the biggest recipients of affirmative action that I can think of.

Kinda funny that women are often considered a minority.

True, women are 51% of the population (probably because they tend to live longer than men), so they are not a statistical minority. Apparently, some government official changed the definition of the word minority so that it is interchangeable with the phrase oppressed group.

stekim · #**210** (**permalink**) 04-20-2006, 04:51 AM

Of course prostitutes can be raped. But it's also the case that a nurse examining a low rent prostitute will find evidence "consistent with rape" quite often if she looks for it. That's why it would be nice to have some evidence. Even her timeline doesn't hold water for God's sake. That's not to say she wasn't raped. She could have been. But to convict someone you need a solid story and evidence. Both are lacking in this case.

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