Reverse Discrimination at Duke?

JP5 · #1 (**permalink**) 04-10-2006, 06:21 PM

ALL the DNA test came back and NONE of the boys matched.

So, let's recap: the rape accuser says it was "white boys" and they made ALL the white lacrosse players submit to DNA tests. The one black player was not made to. The prosecutiion said it would give them the PROOF positive.

The press, the public, and the prosecutor all had these boys guilty and was trying them in the press. BTW, the other girl with her that night is not backing her up either.

Lawyers for Duke Players Say DNA Doesn't Match
By DUFF WILSON and JULIET MACUR
Published: April 10, 2006

DURHAM, N.C., April 10 — DNA evidence released today cleared 46 Duke lacrosse players from an accusation that three of them raped a dancer at a party four weeks ago, the players' defense lawyers said.

None of the students' DNA was found on the woman or on any of her clothing or possessions or under her fingernails, the lawyers said. They said the accusation was false and based on the testimony of the one woman, a 27-year-old student, mother of two and a dancer who had been hired to perform at a party held by members of Duke's men's lacrosse team. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/10/sp...0cnd-duke.html

Question: Could she be kin to Cynthia McKinney???

The12thMan · #2 (**permalink**) 04-10-2006, 08:09 PM

The DA should have kept his big mouth shut 'til the tests came back. These guys have been through 4 weeks of hell, the coach resigned, the season was cancelled.... It's a wonder someone didn't get killed.

The accuser should be given the sentence she tried to impose on those boys, times three.

justabubba · #3 (**permalink**) 04-10-2006, 08:17 PM

the regular gathering of "representatives" of the African American community to protest outside the players' home that no white students had been arrested while awaiting the test results.
a vivid illustration that racism abounds

keylolo · #4 (**permalink**) 04-11-2006, 05:01 AM

Here we go again, before you get all hot and bothered over an aquittal:

FYI:

Quote:

Investigators are still collecting evidence, but Nifong has said in recent days he already believes a crime occurred. Even if the state crime lab’s DNA analysis proves inconclusive or doesn’t provide a match for any of the athletes, Nifong has said he’ll have other evidence.

“If the only thing that we ever have in this case is DNA, then we wouldn’t have a case,” Nifong said Wednesday.

So you combine THAT with this

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According to the application for a court order seeking DNA samples from the team, a nurse trained to treat rape victims and a physician who treated the woman said they witnessed symptoms consistent with sexual assault. The document also includes details of a search of the house where the woman said she was raped for about a half-hour.

“The victim’s four red polished fingernails were recovered inside the residence consistent to her version of the attack. She claimed she was clawing at one of the suspect’s arms in an attempt to breath (sic) while being strangled. During that time the nails broke off,” the police statement said.

Officers who searched the house also recovered the woman’s makeup bag, cell phone and a stack of $20 bills consistent with the woman’s statement that $400 in cash was taken from her purse after the attack, the police statement said.

Police have also searched a second home occupied by lacrosse team members, but documents describing the location or what investigators found have been sealed by court order, prosecutors and police said.

And combine THAT with that fact these aren't some innocent little school boys here:

Quote:

Duke lacrosse players in trouble before
20 crimes in past year include underage drinking, public urination, noise

The March 13 off-campus party at which a woman was allegedly beaten and raped wasn't the first legal run-in for members of the Duke University men's lacrosse team, WNCN-TV reported Thursday.

WNCN-TV has uncovered court documents showing 15 members of the lacrosse team have been charged with at least 20 crimes in the past year. The charges include underage drinking, public urination, excessive noise and one instance in which a Duke student's debit card was stolen and used to purchase $100 in food.

Combine that with whatever other evidence the DA has that he's not releasing and I think we are FAR from case over here.

So as I said, we shall see how it goes, I wouldnt be dancing a jig just yet if I were you guys. Slow down, and lets see what happens.

justabubba · #5 (**permalink**) 04-11-2006, 05:37 AM

Al Sharpton, at a time like this?

JP5 · #6 (**permalink**) 04-11-2006, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by keylolo";p=&quot

Here we go again, before you get all hot and bothered over an aquittal:

FYI:

Quote:

Investigators are still collecting evidence, but Nifong has said in recent days he already believes a crime occurred. Even if the state crime lab’s DNA analysis proves inconclusive or doesn’t provide a match for any of the athletes, Nifong has said he’ll have other evidence.

“If the only thing that we ever have in this case is DNA, then we wouldn’t have a case,” Nifong said Wednesday.

So you combine THAT with this

Quote:

According to the application for a court order seeking DNA samples from the team, a nurse trained to treat rape victims and a physician who treated the woman said they witnessed symptoms consistent with sexual assault. The document also includes details of a search of the house where the woman said she was raped for about a half-hour.

“The victim’s four red polished fingernails were recovered inside the residence consistent to her version of the attack. She claimed she was clawing at one of the suspect’s arms in an attempt to breath (sic) while being strangled. During that time the nails broke off,” the police statement said.

Officers who searched the house also recovered the woman’s makeup bag, cell phone and a stack of $20 bills consistent with the woman’s statement that $400 in cash was taken from her purse after the attack, the police statement said.

Police have also searched a second home occupied by lacrosse team members, but documents describing the location or what investigators found have been sealed by court order, prosecutors and police said.

And combine THAT with that fact these aren't some innocent little school boys here:

Quote:

Duke lacrosse players in trouble before
20 crimes in past year include underage drinking, public urination, noise

The March 13 off-campus party at which a woman was allegedly beaten and raped wasn't the first legal run-in for members of the Duke University men's lacrosse team, WNCN-TV reported Thursday.

WNCN-TV has uncovered court documents showing 15 members of the lacrosse team have been charged with at least 20 crimes in the past year. The charges include underage drinking, public urination, excessive noise and one instance in which a Duke student's debit card was stolen and used to purchase $100 in food.

Combine that with whatever other evidence the DA has that he's not releasing and I think we are FAR from case over here.

So as I said, we shall see how it goes, I wouldnt be dancing a jig just yet if I were you guys. Slow down, and lets see what happens.

It's amazing to me how certain people use DNA to get people OUT of jail and say they were wrongly accused and senteced....but not in this case. Because after all, these were white boys and these white boys HAVE to be guilty, right? There's no DNA anywhere......not inside the woman, not on her clothing, not under her fingernails, not ANYWHERE......and yet YOU and this PROSECUTOR insist they are GUILTY?

Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty?"

How would you like it, keylolo, if this were YOUR son being accused like this? And the DNA came back that exonnerated him....but yet, people were STILL saying he was guilty? How?

The12thMan · #7 (**permalink**) 04-11-2006, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keylolo";p=&quot

Here we go again, before you get all hot and bothered over an aquittal:

FYI:

Quote:

Investigators are still collecting evidence, but Nifong has said in recent days he already believes a crime occurred. Even if the state crime lab’s DNA analysis proves inconclusive or doesn’t provide a match for any of the athletes, Nifong has said he’ll have other evidence.

“If the only thing that we ever have in this case is DNA, then we wouldn’t have a case,” Nifong said Wednesday.

If the lacrosse lawyer really does have time-stamped photos showing the stripper was already bruised when she arrived, the case is over. Nifong may very well believe that a crime occured. Maybe it did, but that's only part of what he has to prove. He was ready to try this case in the court of public opinion and that was wrong. I also hear that the other stripper does not support her story.

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So you combine THAT with this

Quote:

According to the application for a court order seeking DNA samples from the team, a nurse trained to treat rape victims and a physician who treated the woman said they witnessed symptoms consistent with sexual assault. The document also includes details of a search of the house where the woman said she was raped for about a half-hour.

“The victim’s four red polished fingernails were recovered inside the residence consistent to her version of the attack. She claimed she was clawing at one of the suspect’s arms in an attempt to breath (sic) while being strangled. During that time the nails broke off,” the police statement said.

Officers who searched the house also recovered the woman’s makeup bag, cell phone and a stack of $20 bills consistent with the woman’s statement that $400 in cash was taken from her purse after the attack, the police statement said.

Police have also searched a second home occupied by lacrosse team members, but documents describing the location or what investigators found have been sealed by court order, prosecutors and police said.

I find it odd that the DA is willing to release any kind of info that points to guilt, but draws the line now. Raped for a half-hour and no DNA? Those fingernails should have plenty of it. The rapists should have scratches. Why did they do tests on all the white guys? Didn't she get a look at them?

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And combine THAT with that fact these aren't some innocent little school boys here:

Quote:

Duke lacrosse players in trouble before
20 crimes in past year include underage drinking, public urination, noise

The March 13 off-campus party at which a woman was allegedly beaten and raped wasn't the first legal run-in for members of the Duke University men's lacrosse team, WNCN-TV reported Thursday.

WNCN-TV has uncovered court documents showing 15 members of the lacrosse team have been charged with at least 20 crimes in the past year. The charges include underage drinking, public urination, excessive noise and one instance in which a Duke student's debit card was stolen and used to purchase $100 in food.

I see no violent crimes on the list. We're talking about gang rape here. If we go into the credibility of the lacrosse team members, we'll have to take a look at the credibility of the stripper too.

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Combine that with whatever other evidence the DA has that he's not releasing and I think we are FAR from case over here.

So as I said, we shall see how it goes, I wouldnt be dancing a jig just yet if I were you guys. Slow down, and lets see what happens.

They've already been found guilty. They're guilty of being privileged white snobs. Why did the DA release so much in the beginning?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley

Doctiloquus · #8 (**permalink**) 04-11-2006, 08:29 AM

...it goes in whatever direction it's idiotic perpetrators send it.

JohnnyDestroyer · #9 (**permalink**) 04-11-2006, 09:07 AM

Good call Doc ^

I'm still on the fence, I, like many, have gone to several keggers, all black frat "white-outs" in which, I'm usually the only white guy there, and only because they rented some sound gear..

I could see things getting out of hand, AND I KNOW, from experience, that when the CMSU baseball team throws a party, theres a lot of kids there that don't even go to school there...

If you have EVER, lived in a college town, between the ages of 17 and 25, you know what frat, sorority, and ball team parties are like..

I think theres a strong possibility that girl COULD have been forced to perform sexual acts against her will...

I think, it could have been a white dude, or a hispanic, or a black guy, BUT, she THINKS, it was a white guy...

People these days think saying "white guy" or that "black guy" is some sort of insult....what is she suppose to say? He resembled Richie Cunningham?

The color of a criminals skin is simply a VERY distinguishing mark, Her remark on one of his MOST PREVALANT features, does not indicate to me that she has any "race" motives behind her accusations..

Condoms, a possibility, or simple sexually based assault (whiskey d****?) is possible...

and the kid actually being on the team could be far-fetched...

I'm not going to jump to conclusions and claim racism, or that maybe they stiffed her on the stripper bill and she got mad.

Albeit possibilities, but these players have been cleared, and unfortunately, IF a genuine crime was committed, the chances of catching the perpetrator are probably pretty slim...

The12thMan · #10 (**permalink**) 04-11-2006, 09:49 AM

Even if everything happened exactly as the stripper said, the DA is still totally wrong in the way things were handled. 46 guys have been punished for the possible actions of 3. 46 guys had their season canceled, lost their coach and been harassed for 4 weeks. When they stick up for each other, the assumption is that they are lying to protect their buddies. It's just not that easy for me to believe that all 46 would lie to protect rapists.

I don't understand the allegation that the police waited too long to search the house. They found the fingernails, the make-up bag etc. Didn't they find everything they were looking for?

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