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divide and conquer, who in there right mind want's to play this game from either side? who does it benefit? who does it hurt? why is race STILL in play? is reverse discrimination RACISM?
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divide and conquer, who in there right mind want's to play this game from either side? who does it benefit? who does it hurt? why is race STILL in play? is reverse discrimination RACISM?
Do they have newspapers where you live? OF course "race" still exists because of liberal politics.
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Sorry, folks. But we've already tried the "ignore race and it will go away" policy through the fifties and much of the sixties (at least in the civilized parts of the country). Racism and bigotry continued.
There is a paradox. "Reverse discrimination" ends up doing more harm than good.. but it's purpose (which it fails at) is a noble one- to allow the children of xenophobes, bigots, and the isolated to grow familiar with those different from themselves and thus destroy racial BS.
It doesn't go away by continuing to isolate from one another, continuing to believe stereotypes, continuing to ignore the issues of disproportionate poverty and violence that hurt some more than others... and it doesn't help to play the politics of "white culture" (I truly hope, I-AM-THAT-I-AM, that this post is evidence of your turn against that counterproductive philosophy rather than another attempt to gain sympathizers for that cause from among the sane).
The problem we face is how to break from de facto segregation without the use of policies that call too much attention to division. It is a cultural issue. That is why government has so much trouble controlling it. Thankfully racism is still on the decline, mostly due to liberal education teaching that racial stereotypes and divides are socially constructed BS (at least there's something they do right). If it wasn't for that, most arguments against AA would not work, because racism would still be out of control. Now AA is a lag. It's time has passed, but it is difficult for those who were once oppressed to trust again... especially when the biggest proponents of that trust are the kind of nimrods that boast about "white pride" and try to keep racial stereotypes alive, while ignoring the problems that lag from a legacy of racial discrimination.
The problem is that now that racism is declining, it's time to switch to a new tactic for destroying the rest of it... before the reactionaries get out of control and return us to the days of the Klan.
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Sorry, folks. But we've already tried the "ignore race and it will go away" policy through the fifties and much of the sixties (at least in the civilized parts of the country). Racism and bigotry continued.
Yeah, we don't ignore race now. Jobs, promotions, salaries, scholarships, apprenticeships, college admissions, and even bank loans are carefully meted out on the basis of a racial spoils system. What an improvement!

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There is a paradox. "Reverse discrimination" ends up doing more harm than good.. but it's purpose (which it fails at) is a noble one- to allow the children of xenophobes, bigots, and the isolated to grow familiar with those different from themselves and thus destroy racial BS.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the "affirmative action" system set up by smug, arrogant bureaucrats and liberal judges has probably INCREASED racial friction, if anything.

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It doesn't go away by continuing to isolate from one another, continuing to believe stereotypes, continuing to ignore the issues of disproportionate poverty and violence that hurt some more than others...
That might "go away" if people were courageous enough to face down the race hustlers in this country and tell the cause like it is - self-inflicted social pathologies in the black community.

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The problem we face is how to break from de facto segregation without the use of policies that call too much attention to division.
How is de facto segregation a "problem"? Who are liberals to decide who should associate with whom? The arrogance of you people is amazing.

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Now AA is a lag. It's time has passed, but it is difficult for those who were once oppressed to trust again... especially when the biggest proponents of that trust are the kind of nimrods that boast about "white pride" and try to keep racial stereotypes alive, while ignoring the problems that lag from a legacy of racial discrimination.
Uh, who elected you to speak for blacks? And when is this "legacy" crap argument going to end? 100 years?

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Riiiiiiiiight, the klan is ready to strike the capital any minute. The REAL race problem in this country is the "affirmative action" industry, run for the profit of racial shakedown artists and the democrat party.
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yes, jake. it's all a conspiracy to oppress all whites. you're losing... muahahahaha!
Right now, blacks have all their civil rights, and half of everybody else's. When is is that you're going to stop demanding crutches, and stand up on your own two feet like men? Does "da white man" make you abandon women and children to the welfare system, form gangs, and smoke crack? As for "affirmative action", irrational social policies carry with them the seeds of their own destruction, so enjoy the free ride while you have it.
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yes, jake. it's all a conspiracy to oppress all whites. you're losing... muahahahaha!
Right now, blacks have all their civil rights, and half of everybody else's. When is is that you're going to stop demanding crutches, and stand up on your own two feet like men? Does "da white man" make you abandon women and children to the welfare system, form gangs, and smoke crack? As for "affirmative action", irrational social policies carry with them the seeds of their own destruction, so enjoy the free ride while you have it.
there are more white people smoking crack than black people. (given the numbers and all) What's their excuse?
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I think what strikes me as odd in all this is that those of us said to be "multiculturalists" in this country are really "melting pot" types. We want all races, creeds, religions, etc. to work together and live together under a shared set of values based on democracy, responsibility, and reason...
In contrast, those most outspoken against "multiculturalism" seem to be multiculturalists themselves... though probably more uniculturalists... desiring continuous segregation, divide, and animosity for every group in the population, touting how their "culture" should battle to control institutions and restore its privilege, and in short tearing the country apart.
The vocabulary has been wrong all along.
Culture Warriors are the real multiculturalists.
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there are more white people smoking crack than black people. (given the numbers and all) What's their excuse?
Proportionately? Don't know the truth but I find that hard to believe. I always was under the belief that crack was mainly a black drug and cocaine was mainly a white drug by preference. Could be wrong.
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I think what strikes me as odd in all this is that those of us said to be "multiculturalists" in this country are really "melting pot" types. We want all races, creeds, religions, etc. to work together and live together under a shared set of values based on democracy, responsibility, and reason...
In contrast, those most outspoken against "multiculturalism" seem to be multiculturalists themselves... though probably more uniculturalists... desiring continuous segregation, divide, and animosity for every group in the population, touting how their "culture" should battle to control institutions and restore its privilege, and in short tearing the country apart.
The vocabulary has been wrong all along.
Culture Warriors are the real multiculturalists.
You bring up an interesting point JavaBlack. I think you're right but I don't see it as part of the problem. I think radically differnent people who become minorities do it for both reasons. A. They are against accepting another religion or culture like most are and B. They are not for the abandonment of their ancestral traditions. Understanding this, the melting pot theory has only worked with as many fifth graders it can fool. This is why I argue, it's best not to mix radically different people because it breeds tension (to put it mundanely) and hurts both cultures (not to mention this same argument gets to people on both sides internally). It has the potential to divide families on either side, too. It's just not healthy and helps nothing. I personally believe that 'Multiculturaism' is a term they made up to accomodate people that have failed to assimilate. Basically it's saying to embrace social segregation for no reason at all except for the fact people live in an area which people understand will never be embraced by the other and are not supposed to be. It's a real destructive, stupid term that is a bunch of horse sh** like so much else IMO
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