Thread: What Is The Underlying Cause Of Astronomically High Black Crime Rates?

Everytime I come here and listen to one of the ignorant anti-racists (who, incidentally, sound like they can count the number of black "people" they've met with the fingers on one hand) I hear them say "poverty causes black crime, eradicate poverty and black crime will stop."

This is simplistic garbage that's designed to be used as a convenient and easy excuse to beat the racists.

(1.) If poverty causes crime, why am I not a criminal? Whilst growing up, I came from a dirt poor household. My father died young and my mother chose to raise me alone with no help whatsoever from friends or family. Infact, I know quite a few Whites that have grown up poor and didn't turn to crime.

(2.) If poverty is to blame for black crime, wouldn't that be an explanation to blacks' astronimically high robbery rates only? You don't need to beat somebody up for their purse, but they do. You don't need to rape elderly women to survive, but they do. How about all the black flash mobs that have been sweeping America lately attacking and beating up Whites for no reason? You must of heard about that? Poverty, really? What in the hell do "drive-by shootings" have to do with poverty?? America probably wouldn't even know what a "drive-by" was if it weren't for the black species. Perhaps their biggest contribution to American society? Hmmm...

(3.) The NFL and NBA is almost solely comprised of black criminals. They're rich as thieves and remain as thieves. From Lawrence Taylor, to Michael Vick, to OJ Simpson, I could literally go on and on and on if you want me to. Not only sports stars. I can name literally thousands of black celebrities, police officers, preachers and musicians that have been arrested for something or other. Infact, it'd be harder compiling a list of rich black celebs who are completely law-abiding.

(4.) Freddie Young... yes. That's all that needs to be said really. Google him. He's a black "man" who hit a $46million jackpot lottery. Now he's sitting in jail for murdering his daughter's landlord.

(5.) Poverty causes crime? Why not just go out and find a job? There's plenty of options out there even in the recession. You might not like what's out there, but anything's better than turning to crime. We live in a day and age where appearing to be racist is nothing short of evil and demonic, so everybody's scared to death of denying a black "man" a job. You have Affirmative Action to help you along the way. Why are you poor black "people?" It's no secret that if you pull your pants up, wear a nice suit, speak to your potential boss with respect without mentioning "muh dik" or "buss a cap in yo ass" once, then you're likely to get hired. But that's a little too advanced for most black "men" isn't it?

(6.) Even if black crime is linked to poverty... is that really an excuse? Our argument is we don't want to live around dangerous people. We want to be safe and well in a civilized society. And the fact remains that poverty or not, you're FAR more safe living in an America without black "people" than you are in todays America.

There's evidence all around that black crime has little to do with poverty.

I'll make a poll about this. Think about it before you automatically rush to the "poverty" option. It's not illegal to rethink why you're bahhh'ing along with the rest of the liberal sheep and repeating tired, old rhetoric about black crime that literally makes no sense.

Nobody is saying it is excusable, and no one is saying that your statistics are in-accurate. But it's more about culture than pigment. It's the "ghetto" culture, not the "black" culture. Not all black people partake in the lifestyle, and not only black people do. Do you have proof that ghetto white kids commit less crime than ghetto black kids? Probably not. Do you have any proof that educated black people commit more crime than eduated white people? Probably not.

It's about culture not pigment, and it's not exclusive to black people.

Originally Posted by discovery721

Nobody is saying it is excusable, and no one is saying that your statistics are in-accurate. But it's more about culture than pigment. It's the "ghetto" culture, not the "black" culture. Not all black people partake in the lifestyle, and not only black people do. Do you have proof that ghetto white kids commit less crime than ghetto black kids? Probably not. Do you have any proof that educated black people commit more crime than eduated white people? Probably not.

It's about culture not pigment, and it's not exclusive to black people.

I never see any successful, law-abiding blacks show positive action or condemn criminal black folk for what they're doing to the society that took them in. Well, except for Pastor Manning. But he's shouted down as a lunatic or an Uncle Tom.

It's amazing how unpopular speaking out against criminality is in the black community. Even among the rich, law-abiding blacks.

Originally Posted by Zook

I never see any successful, law-abiding blacks show positive action or condemn criminal black folk for what they're doing to the society that took them in. Well, except for Pastor Manning. But he's shouted down as a lunatic or an Uncle Tom.

It's amazing how unpopular speaking out against criminality is in the black community. Even among the rich, law-abiding blacks.

WHy should they? They've got their own lives to live.

Other - Victimism. The ones that commit the crimes believe they are victims and nothing is their fault. Hmmm, where have I heard that before?

Originally Posted by discovery721

WHy should they? They've got their own lives to live.

Why shoud they? To clear up the society that their ilk are destroying maybe?

Pastor Manning certainly feels a duty to tell it like it is in order to get his "people" to stop trashing the very society that took them in from a land with no electricity and mud huts for homes. Why can't more do the same?

People like you don't want to see change in our society, do you? You don't care whether black violence and crime destroys every city in America. Probably because you live in a safe, majority-White neighborhood well away from the front lines.

Originally Posted by Zook

(1.) If poverty causes crime, why am I not a criminal?

That's a fallacy you should be able to point that out. Just because people in poverty are more prone to crime does not mean that every single person living in poverty will be a criminal, there's more to it than that.

(2.) If poverty is to blame for black crime, wouldn't that be an explanation to blacks' astronimically high robbery rates only?

As I said it's also partly due to culture and also culture caused by poverty. If you're poor then your parents were more likely to be poor and poor people, especially in the way that black culture has emerged, are far more likely to be bad parents. But anyway tell me that someone who was born in poverty and surrounded by drugs is going to have the same standard of general "morality" and kindness than people born with good parents and in a comfortable environment.

(4.) Freddie Young... yes. That's all that needs to be said really. Google him. He's a black "man" who hit a $46million jackpot lottery. Now he's sitting in jail for murdering his daughter's landlord.

Once again culture and happenstance, if a well raised middle class person is cast down into poverty he's not immediately going to totally change his entire behavior

(5.) Poverty causes crime? Why not just go out and find a job?

That's mostly to do with culture which has been caused by the drug trade and the government utterly destroying the work ethic of the black community through welfare schemes. Often times too blacks can get a better deal for dealing (either in pay or in drugs) than working. Also who says that criminals can't work?

(6.) Even if black crime is linked to poverty... is that really an excuse?

No, individuals should be punished and treated as such regardless of their upbringing, any criminal act is an act against their fellow men and should be treated as such, rich or poor.

Our argument is we don't want to live around dangerous people. We want to be safe and well in a civilized society. And the fact remains that poverty or not, you're FAR more safe living in an America without black "people" than you are in todays America.

And let me guess you want to "solve" this "problem" with criminal acts against others, based not upon individual merit but instead race.
If black crime is really linked to general black characteristics is that an excuse for violence?

There's evidence all around that black crime has little to do with poverty.

No one can reasonably argue that blacks would perform fewer crimes if they did not live in poverty. The extent of this is debatable, I would definitely say that it would make a significant difference, but more would have to change in black culture for their crime rates to match those of whites.
My problem with racism is that you do not judge individuals based upon their own traits, you lump them into groups based upon skin color, not only is that unfair to every individual of that group, and yourselves, but it will give you a false view of the world.
Individuals are individuals, they are not cookie cutter molds shaped by race or any other specific factor, or combinations of factors.

Originally Posted by Zook

Why shoud they? To clear up the society that their ilk are destroying maybe?

Pastor Manning certainly feels a duty to tell it like it is in order to get his "people" to stop trashing the very society that took them in from a land with no electricity and mud huts for homes. Why can't more do the same?

People like you don't want to see change in our society, do you? You don't care whether black violence and crime destroys every city in America. Probably because you live in a safe, majority-White neighborhood well away from the front lines.

Is it the educated black persons fault that there is crime? No. If he wants to do something about it good for him. He certainly isn't obligated to... I don't think that anybody views educated black people poorly just because they are black... Except racists.

Originally Posted by Zook

Pastor Manning certainly feels a duty to tell it like it is in order to get his "people" to stop trashing the very society that took them in from a land with no electricity and mud huts for homes. Why can't more do the same?

While I agree that most black people will defend black crime way, way to much (I've had really stupid arguments with an afro-centric friend of mine who's convinced every problem to ever afflict the world is because of white savagery) it's not fair to justify, or really base anything surrounding the way black people live to comparing African society to American society. Europeans dragged them over here in boats where massive numbers died or got diseases and then treated them like dogs for centuries, and like subhumans for another century.
It's not okay just because now black people live good lives, and having a grudge against modern discrimination (or what they see as discrimination whether or not it exists or is worth talking about is a totally different story) can't be written off because "we took you from the huts". That's like if you took a family, shoved them in a basement and kept them alive for twenty years and then let the kid out and live with you that it was okay because he now lives better than where he came from... It's just ****ed up!

Originally Posted by Zook

Why shoud they? To clear up the society that their ilk are destroying maybe?

Pastor Manning certainly feels a duty to tell it like it is in order to get his "people" to stop trashing the very society that took them in from a land with no electricity and mud huts for homes. Why can't more do the same?

People like you don't want to see change in our society, do you? You don't care whether black violence and crime destroys every city in America. Probably because you live in a safe, majority-White neighborhood well away from the front lines.

BTW, you're not gonna change (*)(*)(*)(*) (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about black people on an internet forum. If you really want to make a difference get off the computer and go get (*)(*)(*)(*) done.. Otherwise shut up about wanting to "see change" when you're not doing (*)(*)(*)(*) thing about it with your inflamatory posts on the interwebz.