Compensatory Justice
One answer to that question might be found in the principle of compensatory justice, which states that people who have been treated unjustly ought to be compensated. No reasonable person would argue with the fact that African Americans have suffered more than their share of injustice over the course of U.S. history. Many proponents of affirmative action defend the programs as a kind of reparation for the terrible wrongs of slavery and segregation. The white majority, in this view, must compensate African Americans for unjustly injuring them in the past.

A related concept brings this argument into the present: Affirmative action, proponents hold, neutralizes the competitive disadvantages that African Americans continue to experience because of past discrimination; segregated neighborhoods served by poor schools would be an example.


23% think blacks
losing out because
of racial discrimination
is a bigger problem in
the workplace

46% think whites
losing out because
of affirmative action
is a bigger problem

The Newsweek Poll


How many of the 46% of whites in this poll are male, considering that Affirmative Action doesn't effect the white female?

I would speculate that the 46% is relative to the percentage of white male versus white female in America. If this is the case, nearly the entire white male population understands that the discriminatory policies affects them in a negative way and the policies are racist against them and there underage non-voting sons. How can one justify using racism as a tool to make corrections against the very thing that it's meant to fight against, RACISM?

Others in this forum would like to suggest, if anyone is against Affirmative Action that they must be racist, when in reality all the Anglo's are asking for is equality, reflected within the policies of the United States Government. Racism is wrong any way you spin it and allot of white males are starting to become more perturbed with reverse racism(racism).

Some on this forum would like to pretend that it is just a small group of white males that are upset by the racist policies of Affirmative Action, the poll suggest to me that nearly all of the white males are upset and they would be significant in number.

Isn't it time to stop racism of all kinds once and for all?

If you disagree please explain how racism is a positive in resolving our racial differences?


"The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting."


First of all, many people are not ready to concede their complicity in the wrongs of the past. It's very hard to persuade a young Asian college applicant, whose parents did not arrive in this country for a century after abolition, that she must take responsibility for slavery. Others cannot see how their race puts them at a competitive advantage. Most Appalachian out-of-work coal miners don't see themselves as the benefici-aries of past favoritism.

Even the average white male — who has weaker grounds for rejecting the compensatory argument — is beginning to rebel against racial preference. While it may fall outside the realm of morality to consider whether an argument is popular or not, many Americans believe these programs are asking them to take their punishment like...well, like a man. A lot of them are refusing to bend over.

Express yourself freely.

But because of the preposterous "group responsibility" theory libs hold, they effectively demand punishment for those who were absolutely not involved. Not only wasn't I involved, only one eighth branch of my family was even IN the U.S. by the nineteenth century, lived in upstate new york, and had nothing at all to do with slaves. Neither did I or any of my ancestors have anything to do with jim crow. Yet because of the color of my skin, I can suffer discrimination. If that isn't racism, then queen elizabeth isn't english.

Please note that there are white males, and then there are white males. The older (wealthier) establishment white males, people who are CEOs and tenured university professors and top politicians, etc, are all for "affirmative action" because they know there is no chance it can be applied to themselves. They are real charitable to blacks at the expense of someone else, viz young white males. This divide on white males bears on the idiot non-argument brought up by those in favor of anti-white discrimination, with statements like "Duh, how many CEOs are white males?".

It's important to understand that the harm of "affirmative action" goes beyond unjustly harming white males, to harming asians, and way beyond that to harming the U.S. in general. We live in a world of unprecedented international competition, and to bump the persons of merit out of positions in favor of the less qualified, even putting aside the injustice of it, is economic suicide at this juncture of history.

In that regard, read the tortured "diversity" arguments in the employment sections of large corporation web sites. There will usually be some kind of bogus argument to the effect that because we sell worldwide, we need to hire "multicultural" employees. Riiiight, eg, post-WWII japanese marketing worldwide is renowned, the most successful in history, and has been pulled off with employees who are racially and culturally almost xerox copies of each other.

The proponents of anti-white discrimination are almost all persons who are immune from it themselves. First: women, blacks, and hispanics. Secondly white males in the following categories: (1) Immune establishment white males, as I previously described. (2) Retired white males, who have made their loot, are out of the game, and have nothing to lose. (3) Mush headed young lib white male college students, essentially super-high school students, who have yet to enter the main arenas of anti-white discrimination: employment, contracting, and professional schools - have yet to feel that sickening feeling of having the door slammed in your face because you're the "wrong" color/gender. There are undoubtedly other smaller categories, white males who because of the particular industry they work in or some special circumstance that makes them immune.

Fighting the endless liberal push for anti-white discrimination is like putting out brush fires - when you crush one, they come up with another, and another. It's clear that they are not proceeding from an argument, but simply want to effect anti-white discrimination, and search endlessly for a new argument that will work. When the previous argument or scheme is exposed as unconstitutional or without merit, they come up with a new one. In some places, they give up trying to argue at all, and overturn the rule of law, as the California university system has in ignoring Proposition 209, outlawing racial discrimination by state government entities.

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Blade: "more educated and literate people than Justabubba"

Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

why is this ancient issue posted under 'current events' instead the 'race relations' section of the forum

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It is hardly ancient news when one considers that a very large portion of the populace is growing weary of the racism that is being imposed upon them and there future generations. It is for this very reason that we are seeing a growth in the number of nooses that are being displayed nationwide, and if that is not a current event I don't know what is, do you?

Are you and Blade going to have a little party because of the results of this poll? Sounds like fun times!

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Blind acceptance is a dangerous practice.

RW, do you think that it is good to have racist policies, that discriminates against a group with the intent of displacement? Most policies are started with the best of intentions, then they become a beast of there own, like a train wreck, Affirmative Action has gone beyond reason.
Now there are persons in positions of power(school administrators,... etc.) that wield Affirmative Action like a sword, with full intention of being racist.

How long do you expect to be racist against a group before that group revolts?

If one pushes to far the pendulum will swing back 180 degrees, is this the result that you A.A. whores want, so that you can continue to prosper from it(racism), it has become a industry within itself, has it not?

I'm pretty sure that without AA, you crazy white-power people would have every black person drawing unemployment.

Your agenda against it has gone beyond reason.

Of course there are, however the majority likely do not.

I can't wait to see all of the angry white people march on capital hill because Affirmative Action is keeping them down. Boo hoo.

I don't think you could be any more dramatic.

I stand corrected.

The way you see it, AA is a tool that inhibits racism against white people. The way I see it, you're a ridiculous paranoid white man who thinks everyone is out to get you. Yes, the 13% of America that is African American is threatening your very existence. Doesn't that scare the hell out of you? What will we do when the women start resisting? Maybe we can stage a white man coup. That's right! We can hold meetings to gain support for our cause. But first, we'll need to adopt a symbol so that America will have something to associate with us... I know! How about a white cloak with a tall pointy hat? How does that sound?? Perfect! Now we just need to burn a few crosses to gain some media attention! Now we're on our way!

If you have such a problem with it, then write your congressman. Start a rally to get it amended so the "threat" to the anglo is decreased. You guys amaze me with your resistance to social integration. AA isn't perfect, but it was developed so that minorities would have a better shot at success in a white dominated society. Believe it or not, black people who have the same accomplishments as you do not have it as easy as you. Racism still lingers, and AA is supposed to help people see past that. Men are not perfect, so how do you expect their laws to be perfect? A good quality we do possess, is the ability to change. So fight for the change. That's all you have to do. Complaining that it's a tool for racism against white people isn't going to get you anywhere.

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Blind acceptance is a dangerous practice.

I love the epic language you use here, and the insinuation of danger to come. Just what exactly do you expect this 'revolt' to look like? Or, I suppose, the better question is what do you want it to look like? Because, from the tone of your vitriol, and the way you froth at the mouth, I can picture you wanting your vaunted Boats Back to Africa nonsense to happen at the business end of a gun.

Please explain how the average white supporter of A.A. benefits from it? I don't really see what sort of illicit profit they're getting, unless you're against the benefits of a more diverse and integrated community? Aside from the useless black talking heads that get paraded through the news, (the kind that swarm around all manner of pet political issues) I just don't get what sort of 'prosperity' us 'A.A. whore are receiving.


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Also, well put rwking.

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Please explain how the average white supporter of A.A. benefits from it?

The average white supporter is female and is a beneficiary or liberal Jew and when it is a Anglo male, he is usually a left over hippie from the sixties(needs more dope) or is bound by political correctness in his position.

What a cop out. Not only do you pass when I ask specificially for your opinion on a matter you've obviously given a great deal of thought to, but then you try to pass the blame on to others. When blacks are run out of the country by a mob, as you seem to imply is inevitable, its their fault, not the ones with the torches and shotguns? Please. A person is responsible for their own actions. Surely you agree. This was established legally as wellt at Nuremburg. Or perhaps you disagree with that ruling as well?

[/quote]The average white supporter is female and is a beneficiary or liberal Jew and when it is a Anglo male, he is usually a left over hippie from the sixties(needs more dope) or is bound by political correctness in his position.[/quote]
Aside from once again stereotyping those you disagree with ("Hurrrr hurrr hippies smoke pot" ,) you haven't explained how exactly they are profitting. You said it yourself, us "whores" are "prospering." How does that happen for those of us who aren't black but still support AA? Back up your words.

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Exposure to a variety of worldviews, the chance to critically asses your own convinctions, increased tolerance for differences, becoming a more educated and worldly person, not sounding like a bigoted creep because you've never had the chance to meet a minority that doesn't meet racist stereotypes.....

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