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Old 01-02-2008, 01:30 PM
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Why is Affirmative Action (racism) a good thing, Isn't racism, racism?


Why should Anglo and Asian males suffer from discrimination(racism) in college admissions?


With any form of racism there is always a victim. Why is racism acceptable, when the victim is either a Anglo or Asian male?


Regardless of the one's gender or color, why should one accept racism toward them?


Why not have a merit based society?


Why is Anglo male labeled a racist, for wanting true equality, just as all other's expect?


Is the attempt to justify Affirmative Action, racism?


Who is really the 21st century racist?


Who was really Involved in slave trading, Was it the Aristocrat or the common man?


The aristocrat families are still above the grip of Affirmative Action(racism), so the common Anglo male is paying for the aristocrats actions of the past. Are the real perpetrator's avoiding justice?


Are the aristocrat's currently involved in slave labor in the third world?
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Old 01-02-2008, 01:59 PM
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affirmative action isnt racism. it prevents discrimination - thats all there is to it.

when considering college admissions, you have to keep in mind that the admission process is not 100% objective - at least not in the sense that high scores = acceptance. applicants in general (not just minorities) are admitted based not only on academic achievement but also on their extracurricular activities, abilities in sports, etc. and theres no one putting green check marks next to all the "ethnic" sounding names theyre reviewing for admission.

is affirmative action racist when it helps white women, too?
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Why is Affirmative Action (racism) a good thing, Isn't racism, racism?
Yes, in isolation. Though you conflate a lot of different things under the AA banner.

For instance, trying to come up with a diverse and multitalented student body involves paying attention to race, but it doesn't necessarily mean consistently elevating one race above others. If whites are underrepresented in a given body of applicants, the selection process might be tilted slightly to favor whites. The next year blacks might be underrepresented; then the process is tilted slightly to favor them. In any case, you're talking effects applied at the margins.

The kind of AA where you have a point -- blunt preferences given to minorities in hiring or education -- is only defensible if you understand that the point is to remedy the effects of even worse past discrimination. As soon as that remedy is achieved, the preferences should end.

Too often, there is too little discussion about whether the remedy has been achieved, and too little agreement on objective measures that would determine it. That, to me, is the biggest failing of AA.

I will always support efforts to hammer out those criteria or have those discussions, with a bias toward ending AA programs.

However, your posts are evidence that racism is not exactly extinct. Whether there are enough who think like you to meaningfully impair a given minority's educational and career opportunities is the key point. If so, AA remains justified. If not, it isn't.

I am, of course, amused by the fact that in order to win your point, you need to successfully argue that you are a tiny band of throwbacks. But such is the lot of racists who attempt to claim discrimination.
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"Too often, there is too little discussion about whether the remedy has been achieved, and too little agreement on objective measures that would determine it. That, to me, is the biggest failing of AA.

I will always support efforts to hammer out those criteria or have those discussions, with a bias toward ending AA programs."

the criteria that determines when the remedy has been achieved is the absence of discrimination. thats never going to happen. what determines when affirmative action gets the boot is another story.

with all the racists always making this a white vs black issue, its easy to lose sight of the fact that the primary benefactors are all previously oppressed groups (everyone but white males, basically). those who entertain the notion that minorities can overcome centuries of oppression with a few decades of forced equality are optimists.
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A successful college or university is one that has a diverse student body in all areas, race, gender, religion, political beliefs, etc. A learning environment benefits more from a heterogeneous population than from students with a few points in a standardized test. The country benefits more from having a diverse educated workforce, instead of a white male one. Ultimately all the students benefit from AA, not just blacks.

If you were really concerned with the equity of college admissions, valor, you'd be talking about the benefits student athletes receive. Instead you're harping on a point based on your own insecurities and persecution complex.
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A successful college or university is one that has a diverse student body in all areas, race, gender, religion, political beliefs, etc. A learning environment benefits more from a heterogeneous population than from students with a few points in a standardized test. The country benefits more from having a diverse educated workforce, instead of a white male one. Ultimately all the students benefit from AA, not just blacks.
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Benefits? Who says so......YOU? LOL! What garbage. I like all the big words you use though. It makes it souind like what you are saying is true. LOL!
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Benefits? Who says so......YOU? LOL! What garbage.
In a few seconds on google I dug up:

http://www.diversityweb.org/Digest/W97/research.html
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/112806diversity.pdf
http://www.sideroad.com/Diversity_in...workplace.html
http://www.sfsu.edu/~news/prsrelea/fy98/027.htm

Some of the benefits of diversity are increased abilities to think critically, increased empathy, a better understanding of the world, abilities to face conflict, etc.

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I like all the big words you use though. It makes it souind like what you are saying is true. LOL!
Big words? Sorry if I'm educated and try to write like it. This comment really speaks volumes about the regard you have for learning.
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hmm. AA=RACISM
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