Are the two cultures really that distinct from each other? Putting aside obvious differences, don't we pretty much value the same things?


Racist rants will be deleted. I'm looking for honest assessments.

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There are a lot of differences.

75% of black children in the US are born out of wedlock.

Blacks are many times more likely to commit murder than whites, according to the DOJ statistics.

Blacks have a much higher drop out rate than whites.

Blacks are more likely to not hold down a steady job.

Blacks are far more likely to vote democrat [95% in the last Presidential election]

Here is an interesting article:

Liberal views, black victims

By Walter Williams

Last year, among the nation's 10 largest cities, Philadelphia had the highest murder rate with 406 victims. This year could easily top last year's with 240 murders so far.


Other cities such as Baltimore, Detroit and Washington, D.C., with large black populations, experience the nation's highest rates of murder and violent crime. This high murder rate is, and has been, predominantly a black problem.


According to Bureau of Justice statistics, between 1976 and 2005, blacks, while 13 percent of the population, committed over 52 percent of the nation's homicides and were 46 percent of the homicide victims. Ninety-four percent of black homicide victims had a black person as their murderer.


Blacks are not only the major victims of homicide; blacks suffer high rates of all categories of serious violent crime, and another black is most often the perpetrator.


Liberals and their political allies say the problem is the easy accessibility of guns and greater gun control is the solution. That has to be nonsense. Guns do not commit crimes; people do.


Up through 1979, the FBI reported homicide arrests sorted by racial breakdowns that included Japanese. Between 1976 and 1978, 21 of 48,695 arrests for murder and non-negligent manslaughter were Japanese-Americans. That translates to an annual murder rate of 1 per 100,000 of the Japanese-American population. Would anyone advance the argument that the reason why homicide is virtually nonexistent among Japanese-Americans is because they can't find guns?


The high victimization rate experienced by the overwhelmingly law-abiding black community is mostly the result of predators not having to pay a heavy enough price for their behavior. They benefit from all kinds of asinine excuses, such as poverty, racial discrimination and few employment opportunities.


During the 1940s and '50s, I grew up in North Philadelphia where many of today's murders occur. It was a time when blacks were much poorer, there was far more racial discrimination, and fewer employment opportunities and other opportunities for upward socioeconomic mobility were available. There was nowhere near the level of crime and wanton destruction that exists today. Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen.


Police authorities often know who are the local criminals and drug lords and where crack houses are located; however, various legal technicalities hamper their ability to make arrests and raids. Law-abiding citizens are often afraid to assist police or testify against criminals for fear of retaliation that can include murder. The level of criminal activity not only puts residents in physical jeopardy but represents a heavy tax on people least able to bear it. That heavy tax includes higher prices for goods and services and fewer shopping opportunities because supermarkets and other large retailers are reluctant to bear the costs of doing business in high-crime areas.


So here's the question: Should black people accept government's dereliction of its first basic function, that of providing protection? My answer is no. One of our basic rights is the right to defend oneself against predators. If the government can't or won't protect people, people have a right to protect themselves.


You say, "Hey, Williams, you're not talking about vigilantism, are you?" Yes, I am. Webster's Dictionary defines vigilantism as: a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate.


Example: A number of years ago, Black Muslims began to patrol Mayfair, a drug-infested, gang-ridden Washington, D.C., housing project. The gangs and drug lords left, probably because the Black Muslims didn't feel obliged to issue Miranda warnings. Black men should set up neighborhood patrols, armed if necessary, and if politicians and police don't like it, they should do their jobs. No one should have to live in daily fear for their lives and safety.

You should maybe try to find out why this is. I'd only be concerned about the murder aspect of this, being born out of wedlock is not a crime. Are they given the same chances as whites? Is this why they drop out and can't hold down jobs? Is it because no one gives them a job?

One thing to take into account is that the poverty rate among blacks is three times higher than for whites: 24% vs. 8%. So before making generalizations about race and culture, one must control for such disparities.
http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP05-030/$File/rwp_05_030_bane.pdf

If you break it down, married blacks have a poverty rate identical to the white rate: 8% (though higher than that for married whites, which is about 4%). What drags the black poverty rate down (and drives the out-of-wedlock stats up) is households headed by single moms, which account for 35% of black households. 40% of such households live in poverty.

37% of black households are married couples, vs. 61% of white households.

Given that marriage is often a function of economic status -- people tend to wait to get married until they have achieved a certain minimum economic status -- it's worth considering whether the above stats explain a large part of the disparity. Blacks have higher poverty rates, which translates into lower marriage rates and educational attainment, which translates into more out-of-wedlock births, which translates into continued poverty.

The paper cited above, while hardly exhaustive, attempts to control for some of those and still finds racial disparities, some of which it attributes to the lingering effects of segregation (which allowed separated societies, with separated cultures and values, to emerge). What it doesn't really do, though, is clearly compare similarly situated whites, say, to similarly situated blacks to see what differences remain.

One theory is that poor whites can at least aspire to be middle-class whites, while blacks may feel more consigned to staying poor and a minority.

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Man up.

According to Walter Williams:

For the most part, long-term poverty today is self-inflicted. To see this, let's examine some numbers from the Census Bureau's 2004 Current Population Survey. There's one segment of the black population that suffers only a 9.9 percent poverty rate, and only 13.7 percent of their under-5-year-olds are poor. There's another segment of the black population that suffers a 39.5 percent poverty rate, and 58.1 percent of its under-5-year-olds are poor.


Among whites, one population segment suffers a 6 percent poverty rate, and only 9.9 percent of its under-5-year-olds are poor. Another segment of the white population suffers a 26.4 percent poverty rate, and 52 percent of its under-5-year-olds are poor.


What do you think distinguishes the high and low poverty populations? The only statistical distinction between both the black and white populations is marriage. There is far less poverty in married-couple families, where presumably at least one of the spouses is employed. Fully 85 percent of black children living in poverty reside in a female-headed household.


Yes.



Jobs are available in the US for anyone willing to work.

the history of oppression is what separates blacks from whites the most.

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How long doing you think they are going to use that excuse?

Raytri, you seem to be saying that poverty contributes to out-of-wedlock births which then contribute to poverty. Is this a cultural difference? Do poor whites have similar out-of-wedlock birth rates?

Is this a cultural difference? As blacks become more and more likely to succeed, will history change?

Obama was raised by his mother and grandparents for the most part. His wife was raised in a predominantly black section of Chicago. She had two parents; he had one (though his grandparents were married). From a cultural standpoint, were they raised much differently? I don't get the idea from either that they were truly poor. Are differences in culture actually merely differences in economic class? Seems like it to me. It may be likely that the average 25 year old would be more likely to marry outside of their race than outside of their class.

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Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. It's a dumb question... skip it.

This is from the article I posted by Mr. Williams:

"During the 1940s and '50s, I grew up in North Philadelphia where many of today's murders occur. It was a time when blacks were much poorer, there was far more racial discrimination, and fewer employment opportunities and other opportunities for upward socioeconomic mobility were available. There was nowhere near the level of crime and wanton destruction that exists today. Behavior accepted today wasn't accepted then by either black adults or policemen."





It seems that blacks are going 'backwards'. Can't blame previous oppression for that...